Terminator Genisys (July 1st, 2015)

[Snake Plissken]

Yeah that's him. He became a recluse after the events of T2, slowly descended into madness and finally lost it when an FBI agent comes to him with an Endo hand, Silberman attacked and tried to kill the agent, with all his ramblings about the machines. He gets locked up in Pascedero.

How ironic. Makes more sense than T3, where he was just in denial. I wonder if the orderlies were nice to him.

 

[a-dev]

That was supposed to be Silberman? How's his knee, and arm?

Not seeing the show, I can assume he went crazy after he watched a cop phase through metal bars. I guess that'd be the ticket to be put in the loony bin.

That's the show's explanation but I don't think it'd actually drive someone of his occupation to that kind of raving behaviour. He would still have his rational faculties to know how others would respond if he started acting up like Sarah Connor did.

 

[Snake Plissken]

That's the show's explanation but I don't think it'd actually drive someone of his occupation to that kind of raving behaviour. He would still have his rational faculties to know how others would respond if he started acting up like Sarah Connor did.

I think just about everyone that gets institutionalized only gets worse being there. I'd assume from that clip, he's completely nuts in the show?

Hard to fathom how anyone would react to seeing something so extraordinary. Sarah took the T-800's existence much better, since she had Kyle to explain what the deal was. Her psychosis came from knowing about the end of humanity was coming, she couldn't do anything about it, and John was out on his own and vulnerable.

 

[Jameson Rook]

How ironic. Makes more sense than T3, where he was just in denial. I wonder if the orderlies were nice to him.

That's the show's explanation but I don't think it'd actually drive someone of his occupation to that kind of raving behaviour. He would still have his rational faculties to know how others would respond if he started acting up like Sarah Connor did.

True, but I'd like to believe he was so arrogant for years mind you, about Sarah's "delusions" that the finally got his comeuppance. His punishment in T3 by running away like a girl just wasn't enough.

 

[Snake Plissken]

True, but I'd like to believe he was so arrogant for years mind you, about Sarah's "delusions" that the finally got his comeuppance. His punishment in T3 by running away like a girl just wasn't enough.

Well, he did get incinerated, like the other 3,000,000,000 people

 

[Jameson Rook]

I think just about everyone that gets institutionalized only gets worse being there. I'd assume from that clip, he's completely nuts in the show?

Hard to fathom how anyone would react to seeing something so extraordinary. Sarah took the T-800's existence much better, since she had Kyle to explain what the deal was. Her psychosis came from knowing about the end of humanity was coming, she couldn't do anything about it, and John was out on his own and vulnerable.

He only appears in one episode, and asks for forgiveness from Sarah. If I recall, most characters who are still alive from T2 made it into the show, including Enrique and the Dyson family (which were completely pointless in Genesys)

But yeah, I'd probably snap too if I mocked at something for years only for it to materialize in front of me.

 

[Snake Plissken]

He only appears in one episode, and asks for forgiveness from Sarah. If I recall, most characters who are still alive from T2 made it into the show, including Enrique.

But yeah, I'd probably snap too if I mocked at something for years only for it to materialize in front of me.

Enrique too? I think either cut plot from the film, or a comic showed T-1000 somehow found him and killed him. I can't recall specifically.

 

[Jameson Rook]

Enrique too? I think either cut plot from the film, or a comic showed T-1000 somehow found him and killed him. I can't recall specifically.

Yeah, pretty good scene too. There's a dark twist behind it at the end but I'd rather wait till you see the entire episode yourself.

 

[a-dev]

Aaarrghh. Must watch again. Don't have it though.

 

[GeneralZodLives]

How do you interpret the ending, Zod? I'll just copy and paste what I said to Solidus few days back, (MEGA SPOILERS):

Spoiler:

The writers said that it was meant to wrap up the series and open up more possibilities. Since that never happened, a lot of people were left unsatisfied with what we got, but is that really the case? Here's what I thought the ending represents:

I think one of the underlying themes of the series is machines becoming more human, which is not only compelling but also makes sense once you think about it. As great at T1 and T2 were, they painted Skynet pretty black and white, since the human drama takes precedence over the sci-fi logic.If machines take over the world, then what? What does your refrigerator and PS4 wants once they've become legitimate citizens of the world? Do they even have "wants"?

Salvation and Geneshyte tried to solve this by giving some character to Skynet but it backfired horribly. Now they come off as Saturday morning cartoon villains with their mustache twirling justifications, and surprisingly- TSCC got this right, brilliantly right.

Look at the characterizations of the Uncle Bob T-800, Cameron and Catherine Weaver. They are all Skynet foot soldiers but had their perspectives changed due to prolonged human interaction. I believe Skynet itself is sentient and intents to create a world where only machines inhabit the planet, they're not evil but rather they see humans as flawed and a threat to their existence. Catherine Weaver was revealed to have broke off from Skynet, wanting to create a world where machines and humans would co-exist. Rather than rely on the biased messiah that is John Connor, she created John Henry- a machine nurtured with morals and ethics, to either bargain with Skynet or destroy it.

Which leads to John, Catherine, John Henry and Cameron's chip traveling into the future. Cameron clearly knew what was going on, and gave her chip to John Henry, with Weaver and Henry asking her "Will you join us?" indicates she was part of the plan all along. John Henry did as he was brought up to, and with John Connor tagging along that means his existence from 2007 to JD is erased.

So all this talk and what does the ending means? Why end with a cliffhanger by having John into the future? My interpretation is that Catherine saw John Connor as he is the ONLY human who empathize the machines, who has risked his life on several occasions to save Cameron- and this is what she wants Skynet to see, along with her child John Henry. The ending could turn out any way you imagine it, but to me Catherine Weaver had more than enough to convince Skynet of her viewpoint- a machine nurtured by human morals and a human nurtured by machines (Uncle Bob and Cameron) thus finally, ending the war.

I agree with you about the ending of the second season. I've never written this down so I'll probably end up repeating a lot of what you said.

Spoiler:

The mission John sent the Jesse and sub on is brought full circle. He wanted the other machine faction to join him to defeat Skynet (whether that meant destroying it completely or capturing it for reprogramming who knows?). When the T-1000 Terminator (who I assume was Weaver) saw/heard the actions of the crew, how much they hated and distrusted any machine--even the one they depended on to drive the sub--it didn't see anything in humanity that would benefit it's cause and denied the offer to join forces. When Weaver went back in time, she went back to find a way to defeat Skynet. Instead of destroying everything that led to it, like the Connors were trying, she tried to create a new AI that would be a superior "good" version (more human?) of Skynet that would be able to defeat the "evil" Skynet. In order to make it "good" she needed humans to teach it (Dr. Sherman, Agent Ellison). She eventually realized she needed John Connor to help bridge the gap between humans and machines, even if his being displaced in time meant he wasn't the Messiah John Connor, because she saw how much he cared for Cameron and that he hated Skynet, not machines. He has been hunted his whole life by Terminators but is still able to build a friendship (and fall in love?) with one. Her plan was for John Connor and John Henry to work together in the future in order to overcome Skynet and bring peace.

The show did a great job with the future timeline scenes and kept the look Cameron established in T1 and T2. I'd have loved to see an entire season based in the future and to see the progression of John's story.

 

[Jameson Rook]

Wow, great assessment Zod! Yeah, that's the meaning of the show that I adhere to. Some people say story is incomplete or the ending doesn't make sense but most episodes are meant to be watched repeatedly as there are tons of hidden meanings and allusions. You're supposed to draw your own conclusions.

And yes, the writers confirmed that the T-1000 on the sub was indeed Weaver.

So what's your favorite episode? Mine has to be Allison from Palmdale.

 

[GeneralZodLives]

Wow, great assessment Zod! Yeah, that's the meaning of the show that I adhere to. Some people say story is incomplete or the ending doesn't make sense but most episodes are meant to be watched repeatedly as there are tons of hidden meanings and allusions. You're supposed to draw your own conclusions.

And yes, the writers confirmed that the T-1000 on the sub was indeed Weaver.

So what's your favorite episode? Mine has to be Allison from Palmdale.

That's a great episode. I also really like Self Made Man just for seeing what Cameron gets up to when everyone is sleeping. Goodbye to All That is a good one too.

TSCC is one of those shows that there is usually something in every episode that I like. Some bit of character development, glimpse into the future, or just cool action scene that brings me back to the series every year.

 

[GeneralZodLives]

double post

 

[RIDDICK]

This scene gets me every time.

Terminator: TSCC - "There Are Things That Machines Will Never Do" - YouTube

Yep. First season is freaking good!

 

[Jameson Rook]

That's a great episode. I also really like Self Made Man just for seeing what Cameron gets up to when everyone is sleeping. Goodbye to All That is a good one too.

TSCC is one of those shows that there is usually something in every episode that I like. Some bit of character development, glimpse into the future, or just cool action scene that brings me back to the series every year.

I'll be frank with you and say the reason I don't watch it every year is because I have nothing but the blu ray and soundtrack album to commemorate the series. It's quite painful and it makes me a bit depressed seeing this forgotten by the mainstream- no posters, toys, statues, nuthin'. I'm just glad that's all about to change with the custom right around the corner.

Yep. First season is freaking good!

I love those opening/closing monologues. Always introspective in nature and segued perfectly from T2.

 

[RIDDICK]

I love those opening/closing monologues. Always introspective in nature and segued perfectly from T2.

And Season Two just wasn't as good without them.
Not to mention it has lost the focus and became soapie.

 

[Snake Plissken]

No where to really post this, so here.

'The Terminator' Score Gets Expanded Vinyl Reissue

 

[EVILFACE]

Nice to hear it's being remastered and expanded. The original releases have poor production.

 

[Jameson Rook]

No where to really post this, so here.

'The Terminator' Score Gets Expanded Vinyl Reissue

Looks like it's missing a few tracks from the 2nd release, the "Definite Edition". I'll still probably get it, since vinyl is the best way to listen to music, and that cover art is sick.

 

[GeneralZodLives]

I keep meaning to replace my record player. This may give me the push I need.