The Crystal Skull just ruined Indy for me. It is like TLJ for SW. There is no going back. I'll never forget outside of the movie theater looking at my friends and that they were trying to think of something positive to say. There was nothing, your found memories of Indy raped right in front of you. I can't give these clowns the attention time of day after that fiasco.
Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny (June 30th, 2023)
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They're fantasies for us to live vicariously through these heroes, but when they look older than us, can barely run, marry 70 year old women, and have Shia Labeouf as a son, it ceases to be a fantasy. Instead of wanting to be like them, we're now disappointed that real life got to them too.
Anti heroes or tragic characters like Rambo, Logan/Wolverine, and even Batman can get old and die because they're like wounded animals waiting to be put out of they're misery, so aging is nothing more than another jab at them from life.
Bond on the other hand bangs 20 year-olds every day, fights, gambles, and saves the day and always wins.
Indy, like Bond lives an adventurous life where he fights and f**** all over the world. And when he's not doing that he's in school where all the hot young women want to bang him, and they do, because he likes to take risks. Indy now has an enlarged prostate and there's no viagra in the 60's.
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He always did. Watch him run in Raiders or in SW. He was young tho, so he could get away with it. Keanu Reeves has a similar issue, but he could move well enough in his younger years, but if you watch him in John Wick 3, he can barely run anymore. He moves a lot like Ford. Stallone was smart to use a stunt man for a lot of the running scenes in Rambo 4. Even in the disappointing Rambo Last Blood, he understood his limitations, so no running at all or any wide shots where we see his full body in rapid movements. He still pulls it off in the last film, but the film just sucks for other reasons, not his age necessarily.
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OMG i’m already dreading the press tour for this movie with the sour mumbling Ford
Silly Padawan haircut. No wonder he was so eager to advance.
This was exactly what I was always saying about Luke. People wanted him being the ultimate Jedi. Say what you will about what we got, but I am damn glad we didn’t get to see an attempt at COPD Hamill doing flips and cartwheels, while bringing down Star Destroyers.They're fantasies for us to live vicariously through these heroes, but when they look older than us, can barely run, marry 70 year old women, and have Shia Labeouf as a son, it ceases to be a fantasy. Instead of wanting to be like them, we're now disappointed that real life got to them too.
How mid life crisis and depression may have been to close to home for many older fans......
I think hollywood is realizing they need new heros..and not recycled older ones....
Oh wait , I forgot the title of this thread.
No, I wanted him to use the Force. He is the Grand Master Jedi, you can't even get to him with a lightsaber with his powerful ability to use the Force. There was a rumor going around before TLJ that the Knights of Ren show up on the island and he uses the Force to fight them. That would've been awesome, but nope, alien teet milk tasty.
Hollywood definitely has a problem with creating new heroic heroes. Definitely not in the classic sense either. If not for Feige, it would be a barren wasteland.
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Indiana Jones 5? There were only 2 Indy films. 
Indiana Jones 5? There were only 2 Indy films.
I might go as far as saying there were 2.5 Indy films... but honestly there are only two that were constructed and made with the original intent -- to be further adventures of an adventure hero in the same way that Bond movies work: different villains, different girls, different locales, different artifacts, same rugged hero.
Before the dark times... before Indy became movies about family issues and left High Adventure in the rear view mirror and simply mimicked previous stunts and gags.
Because he probably can't act.
Don't try to recreate Ford. Try to re-envision Indy to some degree.
Like the difference between Connery and Craig as Bond. Two very different takes, but both work well in different ways. Perhaps a harder edged Indy would be interesting. Certainly when fighting Nazis perhaps there should not be so much comedy.
Don't try to recreate Ford. Try to re-envision Indy to some degree.
Like the difference between Connery and Craig as Bond. Two very different takes, but both work well in different ways. Perhaps a harder edged Indy would be interesting. Certainly when fighting Nazis perhaps there should not be so much comedy.
I think some things deserve to die with the actor. Indy will always be a period piece. Bond is modern times espionage which is why it can continue on. But with the woke culture now, you will get a young black woman to play "Jersey Jasmine" for newer and more exciting adventures in the concrete jungles of America.
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Even the MCU well has run dry. Without Iron Man, Cap, and Thanos it all falls apart. The first episode of Loki was all I need to see.
Covid has helped that some I'm sure. But I am not seeing much in Phase 4 that's for sure. Iron Man and Cap were the heavy hitters...
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Personally, no one tops Connery, but I like Graig, Moore, Dalton, and Brosnan. Something that helps is that each Bond is a product if its time and decade. Connery is the 60's Bond, Moore 70s, Dalton 80's and Brosnan the 90's, and you see the differences in the tone, look, music, and sometimes even the villains and stories. Each Bond forever cemented in a time capsule, which helps make each version unique and easier for the audience to embrace. Bond remains mostly the same, with minor changes and differences in personality traits that are inherent to the actors playing the role. Connery was obviously smoother and cooler than Craig. He also didn't mind slapping women a little, but he was charming and good natured despite his "male chauvinism", again, that's all Connery. Moore was more sarcastic and the most British of them all, almost snobbish in the way he acted. They're all different enough in personality and look, but the core elements of Bond remain intact. He fights, then he f****s, because that's his reward. That's his pattern in every single movie. He also gets captured a lot too, but no one ever shoots him, because all the villains are above such methods, and it's disrespectful to Bond. Props to Red Grant in From Russia with Love, he was just going to shoot Bond, but he got greedy.
As for Indiana Jones following a similar formula with different actors, it can work, but the question is, should Indy be forever stuck in the 1930's and 40's or like Bond, should the time and setting be updated, making it easier for the audience to accept a new actor in the role while keeping the previous version in a sort of time capsule like Bond? Indiana Jones is very much a product of his time, and I don't mean the 80's, necessarily. The time jump to modern times might be too jarring for most people, but it could help. Just look at the Uncharted games. Those are modern takes on Indy adventures and they're awesome.
As for Indiana Jones following a similar formula with different actors, it can work, but the question is, should Indy be forever stuck in the 1930's and 40's or like Bond, should the time and setting be updated, making it easier for the audience to accept a new actor in the role while keeping the previous version in a sort of time capsule like Bond? Indiana Jones is very much a product of his time, and I don't mean the 80's, necessarily. The time jump to modern times might be too jarring for most people, but it could help. Just look at the Uncharted games. Those are modern takes on Indy adventures and they're awesome.
You had me at this.
I don't agree about modernizing Indy.... just as I wouldn't put Bond back in the 30's. The whole Indy outfit is a thing of the 30's. You can't remove Indy from his time. I don't see the loss of interest because of a time period. Its just that the movies have not explored that time very well beyond the overuse of Nazis and too many jungles and deserts. Indy needs to spend more time in the snow, on and under the sea, dark forests... there's tons of places to have adventures. And a lot more cultures across the globe to explore. Genuine American gangsters, Chinese, Italian and Japanese enemies, and megalomaniac industrialists could all make great villains.
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That sounds exciting. No family drama, good.
A megalomaniac industrialists sounds good for a main villain. Surely, he would have a colorful memorable henchman trying to stop Indy from ruining his master plan.
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But I was actually thinking of the 30's equivalent of Rockefellar or Carnegie types but of course more colorful, dangerous and psychotic. And yes, I would like him to have a large henchman that Indy has to fight. The Pat Roach bit.
But I was actually thinking of the 30's equivalent of Rockefellar or Carnegie types but of course more colorful, dangerous and psychotic. And yes, I would like him to have a large henchman that Indy has to fight. The Pat Roach bit.
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