Zack Snyder's Rebel Moon

[Wor-Gar]

they've been real lucky and have never truly seen a ****** movie before

No? Watch 'Cool World'.

 

[Alatar]

Because that is what I believe. Of course, people can not like movies. I'm not talking about the not liking of movies, I'm talking about the hate of movies.
I haven't seen anywhere near the same amount of vitriol for other original IP movies, not even close. As usual, happy to be proved wrong.

Yeah, there's a lot of denial about this in my opinion as well. Each person that bashes it has their own conscience to reckon with regarding a possible Snyder hate bias and jumping on a groupthink bandwagon sort of phenomenon. Well, if they even care, lol. I'm sure most won't. But this is a "if the shoe fits" sort of thing. It's not for me to say what goes on in other people's minds. But I can detect a broad bias phenomenon out there for sure.

And people that love it have their own biases as well. I know I do! So how much am I unconsciously projecting? How much are haters unconsciously projecting? That's an open question to me. It's a percentage on both sides perhaps. But I think I can be relatively humble about it, though.

I'm pretty certain that by almost any other director today Rebel Moon would not be getting savaged in this way. It's almost impossible to say that there is an objective way to measure this sort of thing... no way I can think of that could give us strong consensus of reliable measure. But I will say that based on films I like that are widely regarded as well made and satisfying (see a short list of some of my favorite films here) Rebel Moon is actually a pretty damn good movie overall. So for the reasons that I appreciate those films, I appreciate Rebel Moon as well. Granted the films on that list are all mostly 10/10. Rebel Moon's PG-13 cut for me is... I dunno.. 7/10... maybe 7.5. Because of what it promises--if it delivers--I can even conceivably round it up to 8. But then again my bias is to view a film positively for whatever it has to offer.

 

[Random_Retard]

No? Watch 'Cool World'.

I'm not sure I wanna take the time for that... My time is very precious to me after all.

 

[jaztermareal]

if you have to construct conspiracy theories about reviewers bashing a film because they are following trends or engage in some sort of psychoanalysis to state that people not seeing the artistic genius of the film because they are following the crowd in some sort of group think yadda yadda then perhaps you should apply occams razor and just ask yourself if (rather than there being some sort of conspiracy against Snyder) the film just isn't great and you enjoy a movie that most folk don't. Most people not wanting icing sugar all over their steak doesn't mean that you cannot enjoy icing sugar on your steak if that is how you like it, you just need to admit that for most people steak is better without icing sugar overpowering the flavour. there isn't a consipracy by big bovine corp to lie to the population that icing sugar doesn't go well on steak.

 

[JacktheRipper]

Yeah, there's a lot of denial about this in my opinion as well. Each person that bashes it has their own conscience to reckon with regarding a possible Snyder hate bias and jumping on a groupthink bandwagon sort of phenomenon. Well, if they even care, lol. I'm sure most won't. But this is a "if the shoe fits" sort of thing. It's not for me to say what goes on in other people's minds. But I can detect a broad bias phenomenon out there for sure.

And people that love it have their own biases as well. I know I do! So how much am I unconsciously projecting? How much are haters unconsciously projecting? That's an open question to me. It's a percentage on both sides perhaps. But I think I can be relatively humble about it, though.

I'm pretty certain that by almost any other director today Rebel Moon would not be getting savaged in this way. It's almost impossible to say that there is an objective way to measure this sort of thing... no way I can think of that could give us strong consensus of reliable measure. But I will say that based on films I like that are widely regarded as well made and satisfying (see a short list of some of my favorite films here) Rebel Moon is actually a pretty damn good movie overall. So for the reasons that I appreciate those films, I appreciate Rebel Moon as well. Granted the films on that list are all mostly 10/10. Rebel Moon's PG-13 cut for me is... I dunno.. 7/10... maybe 7.5. Because of what it promises--if it delivers--I can even conceivably round it up to 8. But then again my bias is to view a film positively for whatever it has to offer.

You might also be finding that "bias" on where you lay your hat. This new fandango thing called the internets has plenty 'Ole places to lay that hat. Not all those places have discussion in mind. I don't follow directors, actors, etc. Hell, I don't even follow bands I love. Don't get the love for Snyder, nor the hate. His movies are not terrible, but they also don't stick with me.

 

[ironwez20]

Because that is what I believe. Of course, people can not like movies. I'm not talking about the not liking of movies, I'm talking about the hate of movies.
I haven't seen anywhere near the same amount of vitriol for other original IP movies, not even close. As usual, happy to be proved wrong.

Then you aren’t looking or refuse to look. As I said before the mcu is getting hammered and the flash movie got destroyed this year. Again there is no bias it’s just that you guys refuse to believe that the majority don’t like the film

 

[ironwez20]

You're here in a thread for a film you haven't seen by a filmmaker you hate. No bias?

Erm… when did I say I hated the guy? SW the film today. Read what I just wrote. Movie started off strong but fell flat in the middle. It just wasn’t good. It wasn’t terrible or unwatchable but it wasn’t good either. So again no bias

 

[ironwez20]

No use arguing Wez.

Clearly anyone that has anything critical to say about this staggering masterpiece is just lying. They're lying to us and lying to themselves. The ONLY reason anyone could dislike this movie is cause they hate Zak Snyder.

It's personal. It's all clearly a personal grudge.

So sad that people let their hatred of a man make them miss out on the cinematic experience of a lifetime.

Sheesh otomofan you are right. lol

Okay, it's just kind of circular from both of us at this point. When I respond I'm speaking to a broader possible audience. But clearly your mind is firmly made up! Peace, haha!

Noooooo I get what you’re saying and what I’m telling you there is no deep group think tribal thing going on here. It’s just a movie. lol. People watched it and thought it sucked. Are there sheeple? Yes. But even people who don’t hate Snyder and kept an open mind didn’t care for it

 

[ironwez20]

if you have to construct conspiracy theories about reviewers bashing a film because they are following trends or engage in some sort of psychoanalysis to state that people not seeing the artistic genius of the film because they are following the crowd in some sort of group think yadda yadda then perhaps you should apply occams razor and just ask yourself if (rather than there being some sort of conspiracy against Snyder) the film just isn't great and you enjoy a movie that most folk don't. Most people not wanting icing sugar all over their steak doesn't mean that you cannot enjoy icing sugar on your steak if that is how you like it, you just need to admit that for most people steak is better without icing sugar overpowering the flavour. there isn't a consipracy by big bovine corp to lie to the population that icing sugar doesn't go well on steak.

Damn well said. I don’t know where the “tribal think” stuff came from. Like seriously it’s a movie. If Snyder makes a good movie one day then great. But like I said the first part was very strong and engaging. But then I saw where people had issues with the film as it began to move at a snails pace

 

[T8OO]

Yeah, there's a lot of denial about this in my opinion as well. Each person that bashes it has their own conscience to reckon with regarding a possible Snyder hate bias and jumping on a groupthink bandwagon sort of phenomenon. Well, if they even care, lol. I'm sure most won't. But this is a "if the shoe fits" sort of thing. It's not for me to say what goes on in other people's minds. But I can detect a broad bias phenomenon out there for sure.

And people that love it have their own biases as well. I know I do! So how much am I unconsciously projecting? How much are haters unconsciously projecting? That's an open question to me. It's a percentage on both sides perhaps. But I think I can be relatively humble about it, though.

I'm pretty certain that by almost any other director today Rebel Moon would not be getting savaged in this way. It's almost impossible to say that there is an objective way to measure this sort of thing... no way I can think of that could give us strong consensus of reliable measure. But I will say that based on films I like that are widely regarded as well made and satisfying (see a short list of some of my favorite films here) Rebel Moon is actually a pretty damn good movie overall. So for the reasons that I appreciate those films, I appreciate Rebel Moon as well. Granted the films on that list are all mostly 10/10. Rebel Moon's PG-13 cut for me is... I dunno.. 7/10... maybe 7.5. Because of what it promises--if it delivers--I can even conceivably round it up to 8. But then again my bias is to view a film positively for whatever it has to offer.

I can admit I am biased. Snyder, like Cameron has made some of my all-time favorite movies. I always go out of my way to watch their content in the hope that more of their brilliance captivates me again.
Army of the Dead was disappointing and very average while Rebel Moon was a decent 6.5/10. Just because I turn up it doesn't mean I will end myself on the alter of Snyder.

There are movies that I don't like, I watch, maybe comment, and then get on with my life.

The only time I will hate a movie is when it takes something I love and ruins it. Aliens/Alien3, T2/T3, BvS/JL2017

I don't understand the hate. NOT the dislike, not that the movie is bad, the hate.

 

[Alatar]

if you have to construct conspiracy theories about reviewers bashing a film because they are following trends or engage in some sort of psychoanalysis to state that people not seeing the artistic genius of the film because they are following the crowd in some sort of group think yadda yadda then perhaps you should apply occams razor and just ask yourself if (rather than there being some sort of conspiracy against Snyder) the film just isn't great and you enjoy a movie that most folk don't. Most people not wanting icing sugar all over their steak doesn't mean that you cannot enjoy icing sugar on your steak if that is how you like it, you just need to admit that for most people steak is better without icing sugar overpowering the flavour. there isn't a consipracy by big bovine corp to lie to the population that icing sugar doesn't go well on steak.

You guys just keep stating this as if it was a stone cold fact. Or at any rate the message is: it's a fact, just accept it. I'm offering a possible interpretation of what I'm seeing. I do not just accept something because someone makes an assertion.

Edit: Haha, wait had to catch myself there. Ran out to get some food and was thinking about it some more... I am actually taking a similar stance on the other side re: the message being "this is a fact, just accept it." I'm trying to state it as here's what I see," but to be more honest I do see hate bias as though it's a factual reality.

For what it's worth after reflecting more I can see how your experience of it is what you say. Whether that's the case for most people trashing the film? No, I disagree with the assertion that "it's just that he makes bad movies." But anyway, around and around we go.

 

[T8OO]

Then you aren’t looking or refuse to look. As I said before the mcu is getting hammered and the flash movie got destroyed this year. Again there is no bias it’s just that you guys refuse to believe that the majority don’t like the film

Huge IP franchises that have completely lost their audiences due to a severe drop in quality aren't even remotely similar to a brand new movie not linked to anything by the director you complain about every day.

 

[T8OO]

Erm… when did I say I hated the guy? SW the film today. Read what I just wrote. Movie started off strong but fell flat in the middle. It just wasn’t good. It wasn’t terrible or unwatchable but it wasn’t good either. So again no bias

Look back at our 192 conversations this year about said topic.

 

[ironwez20]

Huge IP franchises that have completely lost their audiences due to a severe drop in quality aren't even remotely similar to a brand new movie not linked to anything by the director you complain about every day.

What are you talking about? It is the same. So just cause it’s a huge ip and not new the new one doesn’t get to be criticized? Make it make sense! Lol

 

[ironwez20]

Look back at our 192 conversations this year about said topic.

Never did I say I hated him though I just said he’s a bad director and he’s not proving me wrong sooooo

 

[Khev]

Different things can be true at the same time.

People can jump on the Snyder-hate bandwagon. People can also just not like any number of his films. People can also just not like Snyder himself for their own personal reasons that have nothing to do with groupthink or following the herd. And people can like or love him or his films just the same.

I do recognize that for whatever reason the pitchforks seem to come out in force whenever he releases a new movie which on one hand I find surprising since he isn't a corporate hack nor does he pander to "the message" or any of that. He also doesn't seem to be a super big jerk in real life either.

But on the other hand I know that many see his films as representing the tip of the spear when it comes to "style over substance." Which then makes me think of Michael Bay who for some reason does not seem to rally the pitchfork crowd. Sure people dismiss his work and write it off as bombastic and shallow but not really with a lot of contempt. Certainly not Snyder levels of contempt anyway.

If I had to guess I'd say it has to do with the "deeper meaning" that Snyder and some of his fans ascribe to his films and that if he was more like Bay ("I just like explosions, slow-motion and casting female extras that I want to ****") then people would give him more of a pass. But like I said, that's just my own personal assumption.

 

[Otomofan]

Where is all this "hate" they keep talking about?

Not liking a movie doesn't equal "hate."

You wanna talk HATE? I ****ing HATE Disney SW. HAAATTTTTEEEEE. Go read any of my posts about those movies if you wanna see pure unbridled venomous LOATHING from the very depths of my black soul.

This movie? It was just..."meh." Not hate. No emotion at all. Tried it. Not my thing. Whatever.


Anyway....maybe I missed something cause I wasn't paying super close attention by this point, but the main bad guy had gross scar tissue all over his body. I thought it was related to his octopus-lover thing, but apparently it's so he can "commune" with the Emperor in the Matrix pod.

So presumably, only people with those hideous scars can do the communion thing, right? Kora has no scars, so she can't do it......right?

Also, wasn't he dead after that insanely long fall? Big deal, they just zap him with some energy and he's fine now. Doesn't that take away all the drama? The bad guy is immortal. Can anyone be brought back to life in the Lazuras Pit thing? Are there any stakes or drama at all if death means nothing?

Also, remember how she knocked his teeth out in slo-mo when she delivered the death blow that knocked him off the tower? How come his corpse had all its teeth even before they reanimated him?

 

[Khev]

Also, remember how she knocked his teeth out in slo-mo when she delivered the death blow that knocked him off the tower? How come his corpse had all its teeth even before they reanimated him?

Good point!

 

[The Buffinator]

Just catching up with this thread and I think the love/hate Snyder back and forth has gone on long enough. So let's get back on topic.....
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Wor-Gar likes to watch???

The old adage 'believe nothing you read and half of what you see' still applies, even moreso today.

I was at a beach house party many years ago and witnessed Vin's preference in person. I suppose you could say he's bi if that makes people feel better here.

How "in person" was it??

Fortunately not personal, merely observational...

 

[jaztermareal]

Also, remember how she knocked his teeth out in slo-mo when she delivered the death blow that knocked him off the tower? How come his corpse had all its teeth even before they reanimated him?

It was a genius creative choice to have the teeth return as it is an artistic hint of the re-birth to come that subconsciously primes the audience for his return via magic that defies our preconceived notions of reality.


Or it was a continuity error because teeth being knocked out in slowmo and forgotten looks coooool.