People watch these?
Two hours to tell me if I should watch a movie that is pretty much two hours?
I get a 15-minute review or Pitch Meeting/Honest Trailer but wow!
They're not reviews. They're very detailed explanations, going scene by scene, of how the film being studied, in this case Rebel Moon, is deeply flawed.People watch these?
Two hours to tell me if I should watch a movie that is pretty much two hours?
I get a 15-minute review or Pitch Meeting/Honest Trailer but wow!
They're not reviews. They're very detailed explanations, going scene by scene, of how the film being studied, in this case Rebel Moon, is deeply flawed.
This particular YouTuber has a very good series on the Hobbit movies. Here he nicely points out the many issues Rebel Moon has, why they're an issue and what could have been done instead.
Pretty much what I was going to say. Even as a film student wouldn't you want something a bit more serious and not taking childish potshots trying to be funny? Also wouldn't they pick something that isn't about to have the "filmmakers vision" released in a few months?Still... it's kinda weird...
I mean... if I like the film I'm not going to watch a 2 hour video of someone telling me what is wrong with the thing I like.
And if I didn't like the film I really don't wanna waste even more time thinking about it. Especially not 2 hours.
But it might be interesting for film students... maybe...
Oh stop you just mad that they are talking about a snyder movie . You'd watch the hell out a 4 hr breakdown on why a gunn made movie wasn't good compared to the snyder cut or something like that lolPretty much what I was going to say. Even as a film student wouldn't you want something a bit more serious and not taking childish potshots trying to be funny? Also wouldn't they pick something that isn't about to have the "filmmakers vision" released in a few months?
Yea I don't get those vids either but they do kinda do a deep dive into some of of the stuff you'd miss and give better insight on the movie or something like that. Idk. If it's a two hr hate vid then that would be weird lolA 2 hour video for the passionate hater, I guess, or for the disappointed fan who just can't fathom why a movie with a lot of potential turned out to be not to their liking...
Well... being the retard that I am... I actually watched this (more like listened to it while doing some other stuff on the side)... but... can't really say that The Random Film Talk guy is wrong...
I actually agree with most of what he says. It's just not a really good movie for a lot of reasons...
I am going to watch the extended cut nonetheless. Maybe that will change my view about it.
BUT if you like the film please don't waste your time watching a video like that. Just enjoy the movie and be happy. There is nothing wrong with that. Life is better that way.
He does actually give a lot of insight. So if that's your thing the video is not bad at all by no means.Yea I don't get those vids either but they do kinda do a deep dive into some of of the stuff you'd miss and give better insight on the movie or something like that. Idk. If it's a two hr hate vid then that would be weird lol
Maybe that's just another way you and I are different.Oh stop you just mad that they are talking about a snyder movie . You'd watch the hell out a 4 hr breakdown on why a gunn made movie wasn't good compared to the snyder cut or something like that lol
So you would watch a 4 hr deep dive video on why Snyder is better than James Gunn?Maybe that's just another way you and I are different.
Not at all. That's like watching a 4-hour video on why receiving money is better than getting kicked in the face.So you would watch a 4 hr deep dive video on why Snyder is better than James Gunn?
So who’s up for part two then?
Apart from me I mean
We’re working on finishing the director’s cuts. And those will probably come out on the same day in the summer. They’re each like an hour longer than the PG13 cuts. So it’s nice to see the six hours together. You can take a break of course! I think it’s a more immersive experience. I’m interested for people to see it that way because it’s very adult, R-rated. For the true fans. Why I made the movie.
The reason I was able to make the movies I’m working on now (the director’s cuts) is because I made the PG13 cuts for Netflix’s broader audience. And then I could make the more boutique-y, impossible movie.
The way we think about making movies… (is) now the thesis is trying to make movies that have no business existing! The hardcore version of all my movies shouldn’t exist from sort of an economic standpoint. But over time you realize that’s the best version of the movie that people will want to see. It’s an interesting sort of experiment, if you will, in how you present material.
In this case I was able to negotiate and make a great deal with Netflix. And they were actually very courageous and honorable to take on this concept where if I could make them a PG13 version of the movie that’s close to two hours long out of this insanity that I thought of, then they would let me do whatever I want with the director’s cuts. Conceptually they went into it knowing that, which I thought was really cool.
And since I knew that, it made it a kind of different experience. Something I’ve never done before where I knew I had the director’s cuts in my pocket. So I felt a little more freedom. Because I know they would see the light of day, they would exist.
I think what you get from the extended version is it’s a little bit more deconstructivist. It takes it apart a bit more. I think the adult violence and sex and the sort of over-the-topness of the idea allows you to see the idea from another perspective, an adult perspective. We all grew up with this stuff. So now that we’re grown what does it mean now? Like what are the tropes, why do the tropes exist and what do they mean? And I think that’s a lot more in evidence.
I think the PG13 versions are really earnest. They really end up being really earnest and serious. And I’m not saying that the R-rated version is funny or a comedy. It’s not at all. It’s super hardcore. But they’re so hardcore that they actually offer relief. Because some of the violence is so over-the-top that you can be separated from its reality. And then you can understand what I was sort of looking for from the genre.
There’s such a crazy and vast mythological landscape in the constructs of science fiction that sort of touches on every aspect of mythmaking and storytelling and archetypal ways of expressing
For me, I think it’s so rich. In this R-rated cut you really do get an opportunity to kind of see those things a little clearer, I guess. If that makes any sense.
I’m fascinated by the archetypal, constant primordial hero’s journey that exists in numerous cultures in the same way. And why. And what about that. I also have a great reverence for this hero striking forth from the village and going on this great adventure into the underworld, or the over(world), or wherever it is and bringing bounty back for the people. And the whole cycle is something I find really fascinating.
That said, I think another part of me wants to poke holes in it to destroy it. Not to destroy it out of violence. But to see how it’s made. To crack its shell and understand it. It’s elusive and it’s impossible. Because I love it. So I won’t destroy it completely. I’m in this strange battle with myself to destroy and repair, destroy and repair. Never take it all the way down. Your myths are only as good as what they can take. What can your myth stand as far as deconstruction? Like if you break its canon can it survive? For instance, Batman doesn’t kill anyone. It’s impossible for him to kill. If he kills what is he? He is gone. He is no longer your hero. He is no longer Batman. Is he something else? The thing I’m fascinated by is what is it that breaks the myth that you love? It’s a question that I grapple with quite a bit. And frankly it fuels me. And I love walking that edge.
It is what Watchmen is in a lot of ways. And why I was so attracted to it. It’s a piece of work I think is incredible. Because it does exactly that in a really perfect way. It says these are gods. Then it says the gods are us. And the gods are broken. But it also says that there’s a way through. There’s hope. It has darkness in it. And it’s crazy. But there’s hope in it. That’s why it doesn’t break.
That’s why I’m attracted the same with The Dark Knight Returns. Dark Knight Returns takes it all apart—all the way. But loves it at the same time. That’s been the way I’ve looked at it.
He blathers on in the same way he makes his movies: bloated and repetitive but without an ounce of substance.
I think the adult violence and sex and the sort of over-the-topness of the idea allows you to see the idea from another perspective, an adult perspective. We all grew up with this stuff. So now that we’re grown what does it mean now? Like what are the tropes, why do the tropes exist and what do they mean? And I think that’s a lot more in evidence.
Anyone wanna translate this buzzword-laden gibberish into a coherent thought?
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