POTC: AWE Discussion - WITH SPOILERS

[MaulFan]

They could fill a prequel with some of Jack's crimes listed at his hanging in the first film. Like impresinating a cleric of the Church of England (he smiles oh yeah).

That would be great, and to see some of his adventures picking up the women who slap him anywhere he goes I liked getting to see pimp Jack at the end of the film, you only ever saw the aftermath and his hitting on Elizabeth, that's about it.

 

[RoboDad]

Technically with the conclusion of the post credit scene, the 10 years has already lapsed. Only thing uncertain is whether there is truly a release from the curse.

Well, if there is any consistency with the explanation of the green flash, then there is no question that the curse was broken, whether or not the cut dialog bears any weight. On the other hand, the writers could just ignore the flash, and retain the curse, so who knows?

 

[LOTRFan]

A prequel could be cool, as would another sequel; but now they would have to continue some form of supernatural plot - that much would have to be so.

 

[SSC_Nerd]

I don't know if this was brought up in the discussion yet or not, but what the hell.

I noticed one really strange thing during my second viewing. After you first see the movie, you find out that Jack's now on a quest to find the fountain of youth. I was wondering if there was something that motivatd him to do this. Well, we did find out in the movie that he desired immortality by becoming captain of the Dutchman, but he wasn't quite pleased with the terms if he did. The thing that struck me strange was his short talk with his father. To me, what it sounded like, was that Teague himself was immortal. I can't remember any lines exactly except this one said by Teague, "The worst thing about living forever is having to live with yourself."

Did anybody else catch this? Someone look into it if you see it again. Did Teague already drink from the fountain of youth? If he did, it sure as hell didn't make him look any better. That was a jab at Keith Richards for doing so many drugs over the years and now looking like a zombie.

 

[Buttmunch]

I'm seeing it again tomorrow so I'll pay attention to that. Not sure if that is what they meant, but I think they do make things up as they go

 

[oxbeard]

Well, if there is any consistency with the explanation of the green flash, then there is no question that the curse was broken, whether or not the cut dialog bears any weight. On the other hand, the writers could just ignore the flash, and retain the curse, so who knows?

This is true, I keep forgetting about the significance of the green light.


I remember that line by Teague now. Didn't really think about it during the film

 

[Buttmunch]

I just got back from viewing #2. Yeah Teague does say that, but I still didn't get the idea he was immortal or anything. Now I'm not sure about the green light at the end meaning Will was free. The green light flashed when he left. It just seems to mean the ship is going and coming from the land of the dead, nothing more.

 

[MaulFan]

Well the Dutchman's job is to escort souls to the next life, unlike the perversion Jones twisted it into, like the boats with Mr. Swan I guess would normally have been escorted by the Dutchman or something, so I would guess the green flash when Will departs pre-credits is the sign of the first souls being journed between life and the after life under Will's command.

 

[DouglasMcc]

Well the Dutchman's job is to escort souls to the next life, unlike the perversion Jones twisted it into, like the boats with Mr. Swan I guess would normally have been escorted by the Dutchman or something, so I would guess the green flash when Will departs pre-credits is the sign of the first souls being journed between life and the after life under Will's command.

My take on the whole Land of the Dead vibe is that people who died on land got a boat, while people who died at sea would be taken to the LOD by the Dutchman. That's why they saw the people floating under the water in the LOD ... the Dutchman wasn't there to pick them up. How this affected them (i.e. do they never make it to "heaven or hell" ... does it just take longer? Reminds me of the premise behind LucasArts amazing game Grim Fandango). I would imagine the arse assistant of Beckett - loved watching Davy gut his head - killed Swan at Port Royal.

I also took it to mean that the Green Flash just followed the Dutchman coming or going. And, even if it meant that a soul was escaping the Underworld, it could have been someone else on the crew. But that's the cool part about leaving this stuff to our imagination.

 

[oxbeard]

Someone help me remember on this.

On the journey to Davey Jones' Locker, Barbossa and Gibbs are trying to explain the green light to Will. I remember Gibbs says that only a very few people ever see the flash of green light in their lifetime and doesn't he also say that it signals that a someone has crossed back over to the land of the living??

 

[bonsey]

Just went to see it and was quite looking forward to this film after the disappointing second.All I can say is that this, like The Matrix, should have been left at one film.Very disappointing for me I am afraid although there were some fairly decent funny bits.

 

[scubasteve]

The real question we must all ask ourselves is...

If Jack The Monkey was still cursed by the Aztec gold, why was he shaking/shivering when they were crossing the ice land? I thought the curse didn't allow for any physical feeling.

lol. Now that is something to think about, eh?

 

[Darklord Dave]

The thing that struck me strange was his short talk with his father. To me, what it sounded like, was that Teague himself was immortal. I can't remember any lines exactly except this one said by Teague, "The worst thing about living forever is having to live with yourself."

I think that was more an in-joke about Richards.

As for the monkey - I just assumed that Tia Dalma brought him back like Barbbosa.

Before the end credit sequence I was thinking that Will's redemption could be tied to the quest for the Fountain of Youth, but they've scuttled that it seems. If he is redeemed by Elizabeth being faithful for a decade though - then their story is done. Either way, I'd like to see Jack and Barbossa racing for the Fountain.

 

[creature4000]

I don't think the monkey was cursed anymore... he was brought back.

I can see the forth one being about the race to the fountain and that would cancel Will's Curse... and return him to the world of the living.

 

[MaulFan]

I was hoping to see Jack and Gibbs off to recover the Pearl and pursue the Fountain, but in Jack fashion, it's every man for yourself. I enjoyed the final toast to round off the 1 and 3 deal.

Take what you can! Give nothing back!

 

[scubasteve]

I don't think the monkey was cursed anymore... he was brought back.

I can see the forth one being about the race to the fountain and that would cancel Will's Curse... and return him to the world of the living.

1) He is still cursed (watch the after-credits scene of POTC I).

2) He was shot twice in POTC II.

3) He was shot out of a cannon in POTC III, and I don't think he could have survived that if he was mortal.

I don't know...none of this really matters to me...it was funny that he was shaking, but I thought it was slightly inconsistent since he is still technically cursed. Yes, I thought very deeply about this.

lol

 

[Viking28]

Someone help me remember on this.

On the journey to Davey Jones' Locker, Barbossa and Gibbs are trying to explain the green light to Will. I remember Gibbs says that only a very few people ever see the flash of green light in their lifetime and doesn't he also say that it signals that a someone has crossed back over to the land of the living??

I've thought about this, doesn't Will get to cross over to the land of the living every 10 years to go ashore for a day so thats why the light flashed?

 

[Viking28]

The real question we must all ask ourselves is...

If Jack The Monkey was still cursed by the Aztec gold, why was he shaking/shivering when they were crossing the ice land? I thought the curse didn't allow for any physical feeling.

lol. Now that is something to think about, eh?

I think they did that because it was cute looking.

 

[Agent0028]

My understanding of the green flash is that is that it occurs when someone returns from the land of the dead, so I too was confused by the green flash when Will sailed off in to the sunset. I figure its prolly just a minor inconsistency.

Here's the part I don't get about Davy Jones and that blasted curse. I was going to see it again to see if I can make sense of it, but until then I'll see if anyone here can explain it to me. My understanding is that Davy Jones cut out his heart because of the pain caused from being in love (or losing love or whatever), so how come Will's heart has to be cut out? And does anyone have any ideas about the timeline as far as Davy and Calypso fall in love, Calypso charges him with ferrying the dead across, and their betrayal or each other etc?

 

[darthviper107]

Yeah, the monkey was dead in AWE, he was shot out of the canon and you can see him burning while he's flying through the air.


The timeline for Davy Jones I think is that maybe 11-20 years ago is when his story happened, after ten years of ferrying the dead he came back to see Calypso and she wasn't there, that caused him to become angry and hateful and so he stopped doing what he was supposed to do and that's why he and his crew look that way. I don't know why he cut out his heart though.