The more I watch this, the more I like Catwoman.
I’d rather have Michelle Pfeiffer.
The more I watch this, the more I like Catwoman.
I’d rather have Michelle Pfeiffer.
Poison ivy could work as a poison specialist who uses plants to manipulate and poison people. I think it could work with her bringing plants to life.
We need more batman and snowAlso, simply having an icy Gotham at winter would help the atmosphere.
This is making me want a Batman Noel film somewhere down the line.We need more batman and snow
I feel like every single one of those characters can be terrifying and interesting if done right. Poison Ivy for instance? Someone who can overwrite your own sense of agency and manipulate you into doing what they want? Just imagine some guy leaving this stunning red head sitting in a cheap motel room before walking into an office building and taking a meeting with some rich CEO who’s been polluting the water in low-income communities or some ****. No history of mental illness, no criminal record; in fact? He, himself, is some CEO fine fellow. So, he goes up to the guy in the middle of a board room full of lawyers and a Board of Directors and just…starts shooting until the gun’s empty. Then, without a second thought, he throws a chair through a window and jumps.I agree... but I would like Freeze a little more grounded than they have done before.
No way I want him to be a serial killer in an ice truck. That's way too pedestrian.
Keep the bubbleboy suit to control his body temp, thus giving him his Goldfinger-esque fascination with Cold. Coldfinger. I'm not sure about a "freeze ray". That's where it gets too silly. I'm sure there's something more realistic yet better than just a fire extinguisher. Also, simply having an icy Gotham at winter would help the atmosphere.
The fantasy level that I don't want to see is Killer Croc or Clayface or Firefly on a jetpack or even Poison Ivy. Without her man-eating plants and octopus vines, she's really not interesting if devolved into an eco-terrorist who uses poison. The get-up is 90% of what makes her interesting, sadly. I know, ironwez and I diverge from agreement here.
I feel like every single one of those characters can be terrifying and interesting if done right. Poison Ivy for instance? Someone who can overwrite your own sense of agency and manipulate you into doing what they want? Just imagine some guy leaving this stunning red head sitting in a cheap motel room before walking into an office building and taking a meeting with some rich CEO who’s been polluting the water in low-income communities or some ****. No history of mental illness, no criminal record; in fact? He, himself, is some CEO fine fellow. So, he goes up to the guy in the middle of a board room full of lawyers and a Board of Directors and just…starts shooting until the gun’s empty. Then, without a second thought, he throws a chair through a window and jumps.
I guess my point is there are angles you could look at the character from. Greek Mythology and the Sirens’ Song coupled with some old school Swamp Thing/Cronenberg body horror when it comes to what she can do with plants and you can make it fit. I genuinely believe the only thing that prevents you from finding an authentic way to mesh the real with the surreal is a lack of creativity and trust in yourself. Zodiac Killer Riddler works because Riddler’s always been an intellectual foil for Batman and not one of his superpowered rogues. That’s not to say they can’t exist in that same universe.I've seen that before somewhere, but besides that it is not uniquely Poison Ivy. Madhatter could do that plot. Ventriloquist. Hypnotist. Hugo Strange. Any mind-control madman.
I genuinely believe the only thing that prevents you from finding an authentic way to mesh the real with the surreal is a lack of creativity and trust in yourself.
I guess my point is there are angles you could look at the character from.
Im not saying they cant. But I dont think they will. I dont think this is what they are going for at all fromm listening to the interviews and everything. Whatever the next villain will be they will try to ground himI guess my point is there are angles you could look at the character from. Greek Mythology and the Sirens’ Song coupled with some old school Swamp Thing/Cronenberg body horror when it comes to what she can do with plants and you can make it fit. I genuinely believe the only thing that prevents you from finding an authentic way to mesh the real with the surreal is a lack of creativity and trust in yourself. Zodiac Killer Riddler works because Riddler’s always been an intellectual foil for Batman and not one of his superpowered rogues. That’s not to say they can’t exist in that same universe.
Just to clarify, I wasn’t saying you aren’t creative and don’t trust yourself. I was saying as a filmmaker, you can find a way to make Clayface work without it no longer being Clayface.
Of course... but its finding that right idea that's key. Sometimes, the base idea of a comic book villain is just so juvenile its better to move on to a broader source.
Just to clarify, I wasn’t saying you aren’t creative and don’t trust yourself. I was saying as a filmmaker, you can find a way to make Clayface work without it no longer being Clayface.
She can use different poison from plants and different toxins to poison people . Plants can be very deadly. They can totally rewrite her character as a eco terrorist . The moving plants is sillyPlants that move -- in the sense that they eat you, strangle you, or grab you in any way that you can't break away -- I just don't buy. So her whole gimmick is undermined in a more realistic live-action movie.
What good is Freeze without the cold -- what good is Ivy without her plants?
She can use different poison from plants and different toxins to poison people . Plants can be very deadly. They can totally rewrite her character as a eco terrorist . The moving plants is silly
I guess for me it becomes less a matter of “making them fit into the real world” and more a matter of “making the real world fit them.” The Long Halloween is quintessential Batman. It’s a murder mystery, a Godfather pastiche, and a Batman story all rolled into one…and it’s got Scarecrow and Mad Hatter riding a horse drawn carriage and wreaking havoc on Halloween, Joker flying away from the Holiday from Hell he created on Christmas in a Biplane, and Solomon Grundy lurking in the sewers beneath Gotham.Oh, I thought that was an odd thing to say.
I think solving Poison Ivy is way easier than solving Clayface. Him and Manbat are the hardest to buy in real life (even surreal real life). I mean, you have to believe in monsters to buy Manbat... and you have to believe in "magic" to believe in a human biology that can melt on will like wax. Maybe if you were to give Clayface masks -- but then he's not Clayface.
My point is, the underlying gimmick of a character can be realistic at its base or complete fantasy. I don't care for 'fantasy' based villains in Batman live-action mainly because you have to undermine their character so much to make them believable that they become a different thing entirely. It is easy to make a real-world excuse for Dent's gimmick deformity... it is much harder to make an excuse for Clayface.
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