Zack Snyder's Rebel Moon

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Yes I read that explanation as well, although based on what we saw on film the katana seemingly are just made of a special metal that maintains it shape when superheated and the prosthetics both generate the heat and protect her from it (ZS may have used the term molten metal but that's technically a misnomer, as that literally means heated to its liquid form). When she fought the spider chick they originally weren't heated up (she even dropped them at one point but then got them back), but it's not like she had a 2nd set on hand. When she eventually lit them up they were the same swords.

One thing about that fight that struck me as odd was that early on I distinctly recall Snyder made a point of showing the spider chick piercing/damaging one of what we now know was one of Nemesis's gauntlets. Despite that happening she was still able to heat up both of her katana. Makes one think that he was initially going to have her fight with one "hot" and one "cold" katana during the 2nd phase of the duel but then changed his mind.

I agree with what you’re saying. The relationship between the regular swords and the super heated ones (Snyder refers to them as molten metal, I’ll go with that--they do look sort of whippy in motion) is unclear and a bit confusing.

Just an aside, but I assume that the cybernetic forearm that gets pierced is self-repairing, presumably using the same sort of concept that in the BvS prequel comic that features Kara Zor-El it shows that the Kryptonian bio-tech is able to repair the ship’s hull when it gets damaged. All the Kryptonian technology is derived from biology, which is pretty cool.

In this podcast Zack explains that given the Netflix mandate to make a 2 hour PG13 cut (even there he took it to 2:16, lol) alongside his much longer R-rated cut, he and the writers had a lot of tough decisions about how to trim down what he had from gigantic script (about 100 200 pages each for Part 1 and Part 2 respectively). They were seriously just whittling it down to the barest essentials given the time allotted to tell the basic story.

I’m going to keep an eye out for the flow to the editing of that scene in the extended cut to see if it makes more sense.

 

[T8OO]

I agree with what you’re saying. I assume that the cybernetic forearm that gets pierced is self-repairing, presumably using the same sort of concept that in the BvS prequel comic that features Kara Zor-El it shows that the Kryptonian bio-tech is able to repair the ship’s hull when it gets damaged.

In this podcast Zack explains that given Netflix mandate to make a 2 hour PG13 cut (even there he took it to 2:16), lol) alongside his much longer R-rated cut, he and the writers had a lot of tough decisions about how to trim down what he had from gigantic script (about 100 pages each for Part 1 and Part 2 respectively). They were seriously just whittling it down to the barest essentials given the time allotted to tell the basic story.

I’m going to keep an eye out for the flow to the editing of that scene in the extended cut to see if it makes more sense.

I think/hope that is why the fight in the barn is not as good as we've come to expect from him and his team. It's just been chopped up so much to remove the violence.

 

[Wor-Gar]

he had from gigantic script (about 100 pages each for Part 1 and Part 2 respectively).

100 page script is far from 'gigantic' for a 2 hour movie. It is actually on the short side considering all the necessary explanation for sci-fi stuff.

 

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I think/hope that is why the fight in the barn is not as good as we've come to expect from him and his team. It's just been chopped up so much to remove the violence.

Yeah, the guys in that review video I posted above mention that in a PG13 movie, they’re only able to show blood in just one scene for the entire movie. One F-bomb and one bloodletting scene.

 

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100 page script is far from 'gigantic' for a 2 hour movie. It is actually on the short side considering all the necessary explanation for sci-fi stuff.

I might have heard it wrong. Zack joked that it was a “phone book sized script” for what became a two-parter. Maybe it’s actually 200 pages for each movie? I‘ll have to give it another listen.

 

[Wor-Gar]

I might have heard it wrong. Zack joked that it was a “phone book sized script” for what became a two-parter. Maybe it’s actually 200 pages for each movie? I‘ll have to give it another listen.

Must be 200 pages per movie, that would make a lot more sense.

 

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Must be 200 pages per movie, that would make a lot more sense.

I wonder if it might have been 100 pages after it was whittled down to 2 hours?

 

[Wor-Gar]

I wonder if it might have been 100 pages after it was whittled down to 2 hours?

Again, for a 2 hour movie, 100 pages is a little short. There's still a 1 page per minute rule with scripts. So if he did cut a 200 page script down to a 100 page shooting script, then perhaps that's one of the problems with people connecting to the material.

 

[Random_Retard]

I think/hope that is why the fight in the barn is not as good as we've come to expect from him and his team. It's just been chopped up so much to remove the violence.

What bothered me the most about this scene was not that it was chopped up. What really didn't work for me was the rapey Colonel in the back with his gun in hand the whole time and he never even tried to take Kora out. Of course one could argue that they were moving so fast that he was afraid that he could hit one of his own guys. But he really didn't seem like that type of guy to me - rather the exact opposite. So him just standing there in the back with his gun watching the whole scene unfold was what really ruined that fight for me personally.

And worst part of all: it really does seem like an easy fix script-wise...

But maybe that's just me...

 

[MeatHookGekko]

Lol ikr? As the movie is getting absolutely brutalized by everyone else in the thread (which is fair for them to do, I’ve no issue with anyone’s right to do that) we’re doing something inappropriate by standing up for something we appreciate, that we feel has value? We’re somehow in the wrong for that? That’s basically a form of gaslighting, tbh.

 

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Again, for a 2 hour movie, 100 pages is a little short. There's still a 1 page per minute rule with scripts. So if he did cut a 200 page script down to a 100 page shooting script, then perhaps that's one of the problems with people connecting to the material.

Here’s the quote:

“The 200 page script is the one movie or so—we just took the 200 page script and chopped in half.”

 

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What bothered me the most about this scene was not that it was chopped up. What really didn't work for me was the rapey Colonel in the back with his gun in hand the whole time and he never even tried to take Kora out. Of course one could argue that they were moving so fast that he was afraid that he could hit one of his own guys. But he really didn't seem like that type of guy to me - rather the exact opposite. So him just standing there in the back with his gun watching the whole scene unfold was what really ruined that fight for me personally.

And worst part of all: it really does seem like an easy fix script-wise...

But maybe that's just me...

Couldn’t you apply the same standards to almost any action scene, though? How literally believable are they really? Not very.

 

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Do you think you can be receptive to a Heavy Metal, Conan the BarbarIan, Excalibur influenced Star Wars/Seven Samurai joint?

You gonna smoke that one up? Because that’s what the R-rated extended cut is gonna be.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Here’s the quote:

“The 200 page script is the one movie or so—we just took the 200 page script and chopped in half.”

Yeah, that's not completely clear... whether the "one movie" is the entire Rebel Moon saga or whether he means the one Child of Fire movie.

 

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Yeah, that's not completely clear... whether the "one movie" is the entire Rebel Moon saga or whether he means the one Child of Fire movie.

I took it to mean that he was referring to Child of Fire. So from 200 pages in the extended cut to 100 pages in the PG-13 cut. Which makes sense given how lean and tight the story is (to a fault) in the PG13 cut. That matches what we see,

 

[Random_Retard]

Couldn’t you apply the same standards to almost any action scene, though?

That they are generally not very realistic? Yeah, totally.
When I watch a sci-fi fantasy movie I usually don't expect realistic and down to earth fight scenes. So I'm okay with that. That's why it doesn't bother me in the slightest that the lean girl takes out all the tough looking guys all on her own. If it looks cool I'm all for it!

But him just standing there, doing nothing at all?
... I'm not saying it doesn't happen in other movies. Of course you see it quite often: the bad guys lining up to get beat up by the hero one after the other instead of them all just overpowering them all at once. That's a common trope.
But here it just feels so unnecessary to me 'cause it's actually a real easy fix. Just make him show up late to save his guys for example. That way it wouldn't look so implausible.

But like I said, maybe it's just me. It's like a tiny little spot on the ceiling right above your bed. For a long time you didn't even notice it at all... But now that you did you just can't take your eyes off it again and it bothers the hell out of you...

 

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HonestlyThat they are generally not very realistic? Yeah, totally.
When I watch a sci-fi fantasy movie I usually don't expect realistic and down to earth fight scenes. So I'm okay with that. That's why it doesn't bother me in the slightest that the lean girl takes out all the tough looking guys all on her own. If it looks cool I'm all for it!

But him just standing there, doing nothing at all?
... I'm not saying it doesn't happen in other movies. Of course you see it quite often: the bad guys lining up to get beat up by the hero one after the other instead of them all just overpowering them all at once. That's a common trope.
But here it just feels so unnecessary to me 'cause it's actually a real easy fix. Just make him show up late to save his guys for example. That way it wouldn't look so implausible.

But like I said, maybe it's just me. It's like a tiny little spot on the ceiling right above your bed. For a long time you didn't even notice it at all... But now that you did you just can't take your eyes off it again and it bothers the hell out of you...

You raise a fascinating point, honestly. I noticed that too.

Zack clearly knows how to film topfilght fight choreography. See 300, Watchmen, BvS, ZSJL.

In ANH (and in the entire original Lucas SW trilogy) it is actually immersion-breaking that the Empire’s storm troopers can‘t hit the side of a barn, lol. Is Zack calling attention to that and making a comment on that for the space opera genre? He’s absolutely the (subversive) type of director (commenting on genre) that would do that.

 

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Again, for a 2 hour movie, 100 pages is a little short. There's still a 1 page per minute rule with scripts. So if he did cut a 200 page script down to a 100 page shooting script, then perhaps that's one of the problems with people connecting to the material.

Well, there are only 60 minutes in an hour so the 1 page/minute rule comes to 120 pages for a 2 hour movie. So, 100 pages isn't too far off plus he might have been guesstimating when he said they "chopped it in half". That said, the movie would probably have been better served if he deleted any and all pages containing the phrase "in slow motion" rather than whatever was actually cut lol...

 

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Well, there are only 60 minutes in an hour so the 1 page/minute rule comes to 120 pages for a 2 hour movie. So, 100 pages isn't too far off plus he might have been guesstimating when he said they "chopped it in half". That said, the movie would probably have been better served if he deleted any and all pages containing the phrase "in slow motion" rather than whatever was actually cut lol...

Factoring in slo-mo and speed ramping is a must for Snyder.

But seriously, what’s not to love about it? Come on, it’s great. Anyway, I love it, can’t get enough of it.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Well, there are only 60 minutes in an hour so the 1 page/minute rule comes to 120 pages for a 2 hour movie. So, 100 pages isn't too far off plus he might have been guesstimating when he said they "chopped it in half". That said, the movie would probably have been better served if he deleted any and all pages containing the phrase "in slow motion" rather than whatever was actually cut lol...

Just to give some context, the original Alien script was well over 100 pages, and that has very little dialogue and mostly one location...