Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny (June 30th, 2023)

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I actually did think of Tomb Raider when she was on the motorcycle in the rain.

You know DOD is a fully realized Logan without the silly ending with the kids Logan suffered from.

Indy carried it all the way to the end and stuck the landing, no pun intended.
 
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The assumption that both sides of this debate are the same is a false equivalence. You COULD insert those words, but the motivations, evidence, logic and history each are using in their arguments are not the same. In fact, experts who study these kinds of movements have immense data showing that one of these factions more heavily engages in rhetoric, while the other does not. I'll leave it to you to decide which one...

Also, while I agree that media is largely biased, it does not mean we cannot use scientific apparatus to discern truth. In other words, watch what you want, but make sure it matches up with the data, i.e. peer review, demonstrable, logically sound etc.

Also, being anti-PC is not really useful because it lumps in causes that actually make sense to support. If your argument was applied 70 years ago, you could have argued against desegregation since the government was calling for it, thus making it automatically PC. In effect, throwing the baby out with the bath water.

Again, the idea that both sides are the same because they fight for a cause is something you have to demonstrate. It's not enough to point at some overlap and conclude that they must be equally dogma ridden. It seems close to how fundamentalists presume that religious beliefs are an equal theory to scientific theory. Afterall, we're all just modeling what we think of the universe, right?....ummm...no
A bold statement in the postmodernist era of "my" truth as opposed to fact/evidence-based truth. And yes, its even often peer-reviewed.

The left attacked (bombed) the capital fifty years ago, the right did the same (stormed) today. I see little difference (though the left did attack/bomb more government buildings including the Pentagon.)

And no, I'm not saying there are good people on both sides because most people on both extremes of those sides are anywhere from misinformed to deranged. I stand with the middle. But yes, Biden did indeed try to end the busing/desegregation of schools (less than 50 years ago, not 70) as a Senator but now as president gives commencement speeches about systemic racism, so times have certainly changed.

End of prohibited, hopefully soon to be deleted political discussion. My earlier comment was in response to another comment.
 
Whew…just got back from seeing this at a matinee screening with the family. Very impressed with the movie overall. Ranks 3rd currently behind ROLTA and TOD. Perhaps a few more viewings and this could take the 2nd spot.

Some of the chase scenes were too long, but overall I liked the casting of the secondary characters.

The movie in my mind did what it was supposed too: it made me smile, it made me sit on the edge of my seat at times, it made me remember what it was like to see the original movie in the theatre for the first time when I was 11.

If your a fan of the Indy franchise …don’t watch any ‘negative Nelly’ YouTube reviewers and see this for yourself!
 
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Mangold neither mentioned Mutt by name nor showed a picture of him in order to allow people to strike KOTCS entirely from their personal head canon and just pretend that Indy's son was someone else. My own son still hasn't watched KOTCS and he didn't feel like he has missed out on any part of the story.
In dealing with what became of Mutt, they should have taken a page from the real Shia LaBeouf and had old Indy channel Henry Sr./Sean Connery from the red carpet of "League of Extraordinary Gentlemen": when asked where the director was, he replied "Have you checked the local asylum?"
 
I saw the movie yesterday and besides some nit picks, I loved it. Personally, I thought it wasn't the disaster that some have made it out to be but to each their own.
Yeah this movie seems way, way more divided in opinion than I ever would have believed. :horror

I neither hated nor loved it - thought it was decent but was outweighed by some pretty significant (and fundamental) negatives. Saying it was better than KOTCS is a non-starter because that doesn't even really exist as an Indy movie in my mind, more just box-ticking corporate franchise filler.
 
Yeah I'd say the movie is definitely worth watching for the opening sequence alone. Really well constructed and gives you a flavor of what another 80s Indy movie might have been like if we had gotten it.
Even if the rest of the movie was a total waste (I didn't think so, but can understand all the issues others are expressing), that little "20 minute Indy movie" opener I thoroughly enjoyed - the authenticity, the Indy smirks and looks they somehow captured, the silly noose hijinks.

It was one third grounded Raiders, one third bombastic TOD and one third silly-jokey TLC (even had a castle.) No, CGI not perfect, but I will loooove watching a 4k YT video of that in future.

It's probably a more fitting send off for Indy to me than the rest of the movie - seeing my Indy in some fun but sorta gritty action one last time.
 
Deadline reports total negative cost for DoD is around $430m... that would mean it breaks even somewhere around $800-850m (Disney has in the past few years increased its % take from theater owners, meaning break-even is slightly lower than it used to be.) With the $130m global opening weekend estimate Deadline is reporting, this will definitely be a long road to profitablity.

Spending $330m budget on an ageing action franchise with an 80 year old star may hint at some of the issues around that reality.

I've said before that Indy is almost unique (Rambo is another, but different, example) in that at the moment that Indy should have been recast and rebooted, HF's star skyrocketed, providing him with the clout to say "Indy will never be recast" and that set the stage for both KOTCS and DoD - where age is both a reality and a theme.

It's also possible that the core appeal of Indy movies was the exotic/cultural travelogue, 1930s/40s throw-back and big stunts aspects - aspects that are a bit past their use-by dates in the 2010-2020s entertainment CGI sets/superhero/sci-fi landscape very much catering to the international market. Like how do you market something like TOD to an Indian or Chinese audience? Or Raiders/TLC to a Middle Eastern audience?

After Raiders, what defined Indy and his world was always a bit hard to nail down (the aliens in KOTCS were criticized as not part of Indy's world) and debatable - and the tone seemed to jump all over the place, with jokiness seeping into dominate by the time of TLC, and KOTCS took that to another level. So in some ways, probably good that this one will end the franchise theatrically.
 
So the guy with an iron jaw who took a few pinches from this guy , was knocked out cold by fleaBag?

What is this a comedy now?

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Saw a tyrone magnus scoop on youtube from an hour ago, apparently kennedy is rumored to be getting the axe at Disney following this box office bomb.
 
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