Marvel's Antman and the Wasp: Quantumania

[Wor-Gar]

Phase 1-3 is highly overrated. Iron Man 2. Incredible Hulk. Thor The Dark World. Iron Man 3. Age Of Ultron. Ant-Man. Dr Strange. Guardians 2. Ant-Man And The Wasp. Captain Marvel.

So your saying more than 50% was good then out of 23 MCU films?

That's pretty good. I mean, Star Wars doesn't have a 50% is good balance on their movies. Neither does the longest running movie franchise ever, James Bond. Nor Indiana Jones, nor Batman, nor Pirates, nor Matrix, nor Die Hard, nor Aliens, nor Terminator, nor Predator, nor Jurassic Park.

LOTR seems to be the only other one with that even balance.

 

[Kebron]

So your saying more than 50% was good then out of 23 MCU films?

That's pretty good. I mean, Star Wars doesn't have a 50% is good balance on their movies. Neither does the longest running movie franchise ever, James Bond. Nor Indiana Jones, nor Batman, nor Pirates, nor Matrix, nor Die Hard, nor Aliens, nor Terminator, nor Predator, nor Jurassic Park.

LOTR seems to be the only other one with that even balance.

That's cause Lord of the Rings is the #1 Trilly!

 

[choombaz]

So your saying more than 50% was good then out of 23 MCU films?

That's pretty good. I mean, Star Wars doesn't have a 50% is good balance on their movies. Neither does the longest running movie franchise ever, James Bond. Nor Indiana Jones, nor Batman, nor Pirates, nor Matrix, nor Die Hard, nor Aliens, nor Terminator, nor Predator, nor Jurassic Park.

LOTR seems to be the only other one with that even balance.

Yes of course I am. Everything I didn’t mention I love, Cap, Spidey. IW is still the pinnacle for me, it transcends its trappings.

You are right that all those other franchises can’t pass 50% and yes in a way LotR is the only one partly because there are only 6 films so far I would give the highest pass rate.

Phase 4 is underrated.

Lol.

 

[loki2371]

Phase 1-3 is highly overrated. Iron Man 2. Incredible Hulk. Thor The Dark World. Iron Man 3. Age Of Ultron. Ant-Man. Dr Strange. Guardians 2. Ant-Man And The Wasp. Captain Marvel.

And yet, I would say every one of those movies (except maybe Cap Mavel.. ) is better than almost everything that was put out by Disney as part of Phase 4 (except maybe Spidey, but technically that's a Sony movie)...

And Phase 5 is gonna be another stinker, except for hopefully Guardians 3. But Warlock looks like shiite...

 

[Khev]

So your saying more than 50% was good then out of 23 MCU films?

That's pretty good. I mean, Star Wars doesn't have a 50% is good balance on their movies. Neither does the longest running movie franchise ever, James Bond. Nor Indiana Jones, nor Batman, nor Pirates, nor Matrix, nor Die Hard, nor Aliens, nor Terminator, nor Predator, nor Jurassic Park.

LOTR seems to be the only other one with that even balance.

And Avatar!

 

[choombaz]

And yet, I would say every one of those movies (except maybe Cap Mavel.. ) is better than almost everything that was put out by Disney as part of Phase 4 (except maybe Spidey, but technically that's a Sony movie)...

And Phase 5 is gonna be another stinker, except for hopefully Guardians 3. But Warlock looks like shiite...

Bottom line there is good and bad in every MCU phase

Iron Man 2 is godawful but somehow I love it as well.

“Anthony?”

 

[jye4ever]

 

[ZE_501]

Bottom line there is good and bad in every MCU phase

Iron Man 2 is godawful but somehow I love it as well.

“Anthony?”

I thought Iron Man 2 was really fun. I don't think it was a great film. I've watched it a few times. Maybe it's Batman Returns syndrome for me. Incoherent mess of a story with some cool and stylish set pieces maybe?

 

[Wor-Gar]

And Avatar!

 

[Khev]

 

[JAWS]

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That looks better done than what we got. Marvel should hire you as F/X supervisor

 

[JAWS]

Bottom line there is good and bad in every MCU phase

Iron Man 2 is godawful but somehow I love it as well.

“Anthony?”

But phase 4 and 5 has been mostly bad… in some cases terrible.

I’m not sure I think any of phase 1-3 as terrible.

Phase 4-5 have three of my least fav marvel films L&T, AMQ, and BW.

Only AOU can come close to being as awful awful as those 3

 

[JAWS]

Phase 1-3 is highly overrated. Iron Man 2. Incredible Hulk. Thor The Dark World. Iron Man 3. Age Of Ultron. Ant-Man. Dr Strange. Guardians 2. Ant-Man And The Wasp. Captain Marvel.

Stop bad mouthing Hulk.

It’s an Underrated MCU film. Better than many of the films in the franchise.

 

[ironwez20]

He’s right hulk 08 was the best hulk we had and we took him for granted. Look what we got. Big green ape man who runs from fights. 08 hulk would never

 

[choombaz]

Stop bad mouthing Hulk.

It’s an Underrated MCU film. Better than many of the films in the franchise.

I’m not bad mouthing it, I actually like it quite a bit. I just said P1-3 was overrated and then I listed some films.

Also, I LOVE Black Widow. It’s one of my favorites of the whole MCU.

True story.

 

[RavenAsh]

The problem to me is that even something like Iron Man 2 that isn’t well written whatsoever, and is basically just a movie i enjoy for the action and quips, has a major reason to exist. It does a lot of legwork for the set up of the Avengers. Can you say the same about Eternals? How about Wakanda Forever? Black Widow? Not even Multiverse of Madness really has anything that overtly sets up anything for the future in the Multiverse Saga. No matter how much I dislike all those movies, there was still an opportunity to get me invested for the future in each and they failed dramatically. They feel like disparate franchises. It’s a jigsaw puzzle that doesn’t fit.

Phases 1-3 for the most part, really do. Sure quality can be up and down, but there was a reason to check these movies out asap. Dr Strange tells us about the Time Stone, a key piece in Infinity War, Ant-Man about the quantum realm which becomes the vehicle for Endgame. Even The Dark World gets love because of the Aether’s appearance. Now…I really don’t see any reason to seek these out. Sure I think Disney+ and the shortened theatrical window is playing a role but I think consumers are just getting smarter with their money. They realise these things aren’t necessary viewing anymore. The box office is going to reflect that unless they can truly garner that interest back from interconnected, quality storytelling.

 

[ZE_501]

Stop bad mouthing Hulk.

It’s an Underrated MCU film. Better than many of the films in the franchise.

I agree, I don't know why that film gets so much grief.

 

[wormlander]

I agree, I don't know why that film gets so much grief.

For me personally it's a case of miscasting both the main character and the villain. Never liked Norton or Roth in these roles (despite the fact they've both done absolutely great stuff for directors like Fincher and Tarantino etc). Also the CGI work wasn't quite ready yet for the heavy lifting required here. Skin textures, lighting/reflections, facial expressions and (body) physics all looked very janky to me. Lastly I believe they, once again, picked a really boring story arch (Just as in Ang Lee's Hulk) where Banner has a 100% chemistry-less romace and faces off against an incompetent US army. Yawn! The Abomination could've worked, had they made him look like in the comics and build some tension around everyone confusing him for the Hulk (and also, Banner for Blonsky, on a more sofisticated infiltration-like mission into some secret underground facilities). I've always preferred to watch antagonists with clearly differentiated powers fighting eachother though, which made the final clash fairly unexciting i.m.o. I remember hoping they'd pick the Leader as the main villain back then and lean more into practical effects. I still believe it's a huge missed oportunity.

 

[ioFrostEminus]

I enjoyed Quantumania but... MODOK is the worst thing out of any MCU film or television show yet. I tend to see good in everything, but I can't defend MODOK in any way. No hate to the actor or writers for including him, I just... I can't. I can't. I can't. It didn't even feel funny. It just felt... embarrassing. Only the kids/teens in the room were laughing.

 

[jye4ever]

I enjoyed Quantumania but... MODOK is the worst thing out of any MCU film or television show yet. I tend to see good in everything, but I can't defend MODOK in any way. No hate to the actor or writers for including him, I just... I can't. I can't. I can't. It didn't even feel funny. It just felt... embarrassing. Only the kids/teens in the room were laughing.