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Super Freak
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I think the guy at the funeral was just meant to show Bruce needs to be doing more as Bruce. Him recognizing Bruce I think was meant to be a little humorous since he knows Bruce just overheard him talking trash. I don’t think we’re meant to read anymore into it than that.
The whole funeral scene is obviously supposed to show Bruce is either learning he’s not doing enough or feels guilt that he isn’t. with the interaction with Falcone, then Reál, then the guy talking about the Wayne’s never helping his daughter, then him seeing the very young-Bruce-Wayne-looking kid and saving him when the car drives in.
I guess this movie went to lengths to show this Bruce/Batman is a little ****** and reckless and definitely tees him up to be more selfless in the sequel. I think I agree that I would have enjoyed it more if he outsmarted the riddler with the “Bring him into the light” with Falcone. I think it’s sort of disappointing there weren’t many revelatory moments in the film. Aside from Bruce thinking Riddler knew who he was there wasn’t much that went differently than you’d have expected.
For the last time, he only got there because Riddler gave him what he needed to get there. He never outsmarts, gets ahead, or proactively prevents something Riddler was trying to do. Riddler’s belief they were on the same team is the only reason Batman can stop anyone at GSG, not any skill of Batman other than brute strength.
In TDK, for the last time, Batman stops Joker’s plot to blow up the boats because of actions and foresight he alone took/had. Getting there when he did also allows him to save Gordon’s son later. Other than informing Batman that he corrupted Dent, Joker didn’t help Batman at all. Batman wouldn’t have learned that if he didn’t get ahead of and stop Joker before he detonated the ferries.
See the difference? Still no?
Lordnastrond: Heres a dissertation on why the facts in the movie aren’t as they appear AND a different statement than the one you made and how that different statement than the one you made is wrong. Now, why are you being so argumentative OT?
The whole funeral scene is obviously supposed to show Bruce is either learning he’s not doing enough or feels guilt that he isn’t. with the interaction with Falcone, then Reál, then the guy talking about the Wayne’s never helping his daughter, then him seeing the very young-Bruce-Wayne-looking kid and saving him when the car drives in.
I guess this movie went to lengths to show this Bruce/Batman is a little ****** and reckless and definitely tees him up to be more selfless in the sequel. I think I agree that I would have enjoyed it more if he outsmarted the riddler with the “Bring him into the light” with Falcone. I think it’s sort of disappointing there weren’t many revelatory moments in the film. Aside from Bruce thinking Riddler knew who he was there wasn’t much that went differently than you’d have expected.
Riddler gets exactly where he wants to be to watch the final fight. Batman REACTING to an ongoing situation is not outsmarting or getting ahead of the Riddler. Batman is reactive through the whole film and is at no point ahead of the Riddler. The climax is a simple tactical fight in which Batman almost loses, has to use a stimulant to survive, AND almost kills someone.BATMAN STOPS THE RIDDLER'S PLAN - HOW are you still choosing to ignore this?!
For the last time, he only got there because Riddler gave him what he needed to get there. He never outsmarts, gets ahead, or proactively prevents something Riddler was trying to do. Riddler’s belief they were on the same team is the only reason Batman can stop anyone at GSG, not any skill of Batman other than brute strength.
In TDK, for the last time, Batman stops Joker’s plot to blow up the boats because of actions and foresight he alone took/had. Getting there when he did also allows him to save Gordon’s son later. Other than informing Batman that he corrupted Dent, Joker didn’t help Batman at all. Batman wouldn’t have learned that if he didn’t get ahead of and stop Joker before he detonated the ferries.
See the difference? Still no?
OT: Batman gets ahead of and stops the joker in TDK. Batman doesn’t stop or get ahead of Riddler in The Batman. I don’t like that.I am done engaging with you - you will clearly lie if you think it will help your point - feel free to have the last word.
I have had enough of all this, you need to grow up a bit.
Lordnastrond: Heres a dissertation on why the facts in the movie aren’t as they appear AND a different statement than the one you made and how that different statement than the one you made is wrong. Now, why are you being so argumentative OT?
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