Somehow Rey Returned

[jaztermareal]

Just to let you know I'm one of the more progressive ones on here. I don't mind diverse casts, I think representation is important and to some extent the 'message' is a good thing...but I draw the line at what I perceive to be BS.

I didn't feel the ST films themselves were constantly bashing me over the head with ideologies, but you watch the interviews and read articles with KK and it makes me realise, if they put as much effort into writing a good character as they did into feeling proud of themselves for pushing an ideology, then Rey might have been an interesting character. But they ended up empowering women so much that she was a dull, 2d, uninteresting character who had nowhere to go. The most interesting thing about her was who her parents were, everything else almost came pre-packaged.

Now if they kept their mouth shut about how great they all are and she was still dull, I'd give them less flak. Don't tell me about how great you are...show me! You're not empowering people by giving them a **** vehicle. Look at Boyega! "We cast black people" then they give him nothing to do and take him off the chinese posters.

Don't piss on my boots then tell me it's raining.

You filthy far right misogynist! Shame! Shaaame!!!!!!

 

[a-dev]

We're probably overbaking this one a bit.

Just, I knew of Dave_W's posting history and where he typically came down on the woke/anti-woke stuff and I guess batmanfan23 was simply not aware. And I just found it funny that on what may (or may not be) the very first occasion he sides with the anti-woke perspective he gets someone on his case.



Anyway.....

 

[Dave_W]

I get it. It get the fact that people are trying to get things to a certain place and I'm all for that, I really am...BUT THEY'RE ******* IT UP FOR THE REST OF US AND GIVING THAT LOT AMMO!

 

[a-dev]

I get it. It get the fact that people are trying to get things to a certain place and I'm all for that, I really am...BUT THEY'RE ******* IT UP FOR THE REST OF US AND GIVING THAT LOT AMMO!

And I'm sure a lot of people would be quite happy to run out of ammo. Though I'm not so sure about the youtubers. They seem to live for this stuff.

 

[Dave_W]

Force Awakens. Ok, female lead who will eventually be the Jedi. Let's see where this goes....oh FFS, she's dull AF!

Ghostbusters 2016. All female cast. Seems a bit desparate but I'll give it a shot...dear god it's painful.

Prey. Female lead fighting the predator...ta da!!! Thank you! This is more like it.

KK..."we're the future!"

I just can't defend **** like that any more. Be as progressive as you like, but you damn well better make good content before you start feeling pleased with yourself!

 

[Felinx]

Hold your horses...I thought they were ****. Gervais has just gone into full on "anti-trans jokes are now my entire personality" mode.

Hmm I watched both too... and I think that was still more on Chappelle, and his disabled jokes were less funny and more offputting than Gervais' disabled jokes. Can't believe I just typed that.

 

[chrisstbh]

Bad films are bad films, regardless of who the leads are. But I'm coming round to the idea that when certain groups make films, it's going to be bad because they don't put the story first, they shoe horn in certain types of characters as the priority and try to write a story around that.

Exactly this. Very few people actually have a problem with female/minority lead stories when they’re actually well made.

Prey good, Spider-Verse good, Blue Eye Samurai good.

But what’s not good is when they TELL us how great these characters are and how we should love them… instead of SHOWING us why.

 

[xipotec]

Nothing Disney has made has been good. The Force AWOKEN wad bad. It got a pass because it was the first of Disney's agenda and this was before the split between mainstream and YouTube critics.

 

[xipotec]

Yep which is why everyone loves the super diverse Rogue One.

Dude, Disney is woke and makes nothing but liberal agenda films designed to corrupt our children...

WTF are you talking about?

/s

 

[Dave_W]

I'm in one of these moods today...

 

[Dave_W]

Dude, Disney is woke and makes nothing but liberal agenda films designed to corrupt our children...

WTF are you talking about?

/s

R1 gets a pass because the 'waman' dies at the end. Hooray!

 

[Khev]

You know if people like Dave_W would give the far, FAR right misogyny a break for two seconds our culture might make some actual progress so that we can finally see some female led Star Wars for a change.

 

[Dave_W]

 

[Khev]

People like you invented the bomb Dave. People like you...thought it up.

 

[Dave_W]

 

[xipotec]

Daves new avatar.

 

[a-dev]

You know if people like Dave_W would give the far, FAR right misogyny a break for two seconds our culture might make some actual progress so that we can finally see some female led Star Wars for a change.

Yep, instead we're stuck a long time ago, in a galaxy far, far to the right....

 

[ironwez20]

Man I always wanted to see more female jedi. Love the idea. But Rey was just not well written and I don’t like characters who always win and never seem to struggle . Man or woman

 

[a-dev]

People like you invented the bomb Dave. People like you...thought it up.

He doesn't know what it's like to actually create quality content...

 

[Dave_W]

Yep, instead we're stuck a long time ago, in a galaxy far, far to the right....

Man I always wanted to see more female jedi. Love the idea. But Rey was just not well written and I don’t like characters who always win and never seem to struggle . Man or woman

Mara Jade would be great to see.