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What's objective and intellectual about this game?
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Not the game, the response to it.
Deckard
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Nope. The people defending it are in no way intellectual or making a good argument for it. Comparing to Call of Duty or simply saying mass murders will happen anyway so who cares, just shows how misguided you guys are.
Tell me this. What is there to gain from this game? What does this stimulate inside you emotionally? Alien : Isolation is a violent game out now that is highly successful and getting none of this backlash, it instills a sense of fear and dread. Call of Duty invokes a sense of over the top action movie heroism. What does this game do for you?
Tell me this. What is there to gain from this game? What does this stimulate inside you emotionally? Alien : Isolation is a violent game out now that is highly successful and getting none of this backlash, it instills a sense of fear and dread. Call of Duty invokes a sense of over the top action movie heroism. What does this game do for you?
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You can't use the argumentum ad populum based on youtube comments...
Objectively, Intellectually... no way, I've studied the scientific method and I use it daily at work and I know there is nothing remotely rational in thinking that playing games is "brainless" like you said before. It is not rational to compare a horror movie to this game, its not rational to say any action game is like this one
Defending this game doesn't make you rational. Building a good argument does, and I doubt anyone can make a good argument to defend this game because only a special kind of person would play a game just to be a monster and enjoy watching people scream and suffer. Even if it wasn't controversial this game lacks substance, is and will always be a bad game
Emotionless =/= Rational
Hatred is a sad teenager calling for attention, Miley Cyrus style
Not only misguided, its irrational...
oh the irony
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WesMordine
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FPSs reward headshots. Yes they do! Is that a good thing? Something you're proud to put your "logic" and "rational thinking" into defending?
We should actually put our logic, rational thinking (and emotions, too!) into meditating about WHY do we enjoy these games.
I played all Crysis games, and I love them. But the killing bothers me to some point. (In fact, I once played Crysis 2 trying to avoid killing humans as much as the gameplay allowed, because if I has Prophet, that's what I'd be doing. He doesn't ENJOY killing the enemy). The true enemy was the Ceph invaders, and my goal was to save humans as much as possible, not kill them. In this, I do agree context has a lot to do with it, story-wise.
Certainly if at any point I'd played an FPS merely to experience some kind of twisted enjoyment at killing, I'd be very concerned. It's wrong to ENJOY the fantasy of killing or maiming people, guys.
We should actually put our logic, rational thinking (and emotions, too!) into meditating about WHY do we enjoy these games.
I played all Crysis games, and I love them. But the killing bothers me to some point. (In fact, I once played Crysis 2 trying to avoid killing humans as much as the gameplay allowed, because if I has Prophet, that's what I'd be doing. He doesn't ENJOY killing the enemy). The true enemy was the Ceph invaders, and my goal was to save humans as much as possible, not kill them. In this, I do agree context has a lot to do with it, story-wise.
Certainly if at any point I'd played an FPS merely to experience some kind of twisted enjoyment at killing, I'd be very concerned. It's wrong to ENJOY the fantasy of killing or maiming people, guys.
I agree, all that killstreak / achievement porn in modern FPS games is quite disgusting and disturbing.
Still, it's a reward system for disposing of your enemies in the most efficient way while they're in the same position.
okay, without any of the controversy, without the backlash and all the publicity, if this came out for free to be played online or something,
the game to me doesn't look that fun or appealing. the gameplay looks boring and the lack of color makes it not pleasing. feels like a bad nightmare. I am sure it was done that way o purpose but it sucks, it doesn't look great in black and white
also, how hard will the game become? will the cops shoot and kill you? will there be any kind of missions? different levels?
how long can a game be without any missions or any kind of guidance?
Also, the only good thing about this game, the only thing that would have me interested... Some people were talking about modding the game to make the character look like Arnold in the terminator, or to look like Neo from the matrix. If somehow they were able to do that then it would be interesting.
But then again there are mods for Grand Theft Auto auto already, so even the possibility of a mod doesn't even seem that great
the game to me doesn't look that fun or appealing. the gameplay looks boring and the lack of color makes it not pleasing. feels like a bad nightmare. I am sure it was done that way o purpose but it sucks, it doesn't look great in black and white
also, how hard will the game become? will the cops shoot and kill you? will there be any kind of missions? different levels?
how long can a game be without any missions or any kind of guidance?
Also, the only good thing about this game, the only thing that would have me interested... Some people were talking about modding the game to make the character look like Arnold in the terminator, or to look like Neo from the matrix. If somehow they were able to do that then it would be interesting.
But then again there are mods for Grand Theft Auto auto already, so even the possibility of a mod doesn't even seem that great
Seriously, what's with the red herring, it's ridiculous. This far down in the thread and you and the guy below are now giving your diagnosis to people who don't buy into your argument. Misguided, that's even funnier. You sound like an over-bearing, college professor who thinks he knows more than everyone else.
You can't use the argumentum ad populum based on youtube comments...
Objectively, Intellectually... no way, I've studied the scientific method and I use it daily at work and I know there is nothing remotely rational in thinking that playing games is "brainless" like you said before. It is not rational to compare a horror movie to this game, its not rational to say any action game is like this one
Defending this game doesn't make you rational. Building a good argument does, and I doubt anyone can make a good argument to defend this game because only a special kind of person would play a game just to be a monster and enjoy watching people scream and suffer. Even if it wasn't controversial this game lacks substance, is and will always be a bad game
Emotionless =/= Rational
Hatred is a sad teenager calling for attention, Miley Cyrus style
Not only misguided, its irrational...
Oh and here is professor #2! Brainless is a figure of speech, but I guess instead of debating the main points of this game/its right to exist, you want to now dissect my words, giving them new meaning, the meanings I never intended. You're so lost waxing philosophical, that you're now stating rational comparisons are irrational. You're willfully ignorant of what it is or you just can't admit it.
I like how you infer the people who might play this game, are messed up. You know nothing about anyone, of who you speak of, yet here you are, the Dali Lama of this thread, spreading your Gospel. It doesn't matter if it's based in reality or factual. Please break out the stats and show us, via statistics, all of the gamers who mass-murder people. 58% of Americans play games, that's around 184 million people. How many of those people mass-murdered their fellow citizens over the last few decades, directly as a result of games like Postal, CoD, etc.? There is no proof that video games, have caused anyone, to go out and mass murder people. Sure they try to prove it, but they always fail, and it goes back to the part about video games don't make people do these things. MOVIES have a much bigger affect on mentally disturbed people, but yea, it's such a totally irrational comparison.
I'm sorry the both of you cannot accept that normal, well-adjusted, responsibly people, who've never wanted to hurt anybody, can and will play this game. They are not monsters. This game will not cause them to go "postal" but I'm sure you'll be waiting to pin anything that happens, on this game. That is, if it ever sees the light of day. If it does come out maybe you can have game burnings? The press would eat it up, too bad you can't burn 1's and 0's.
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well w/e if i cant play this brainless shooter ill just go on a brainless rampage in gta or kill a bunch of random players that are deemed to be terrorists to "justify" my actions in cod/BF. but if they're the terrorists and kill me, part of the "good" side and get rewarded for it, isnt that a bad thing then?
why the **** do they want to kill me? for their K/D. thats all the solo players care about in COD. they dont care if im part of the U.S. army or terrorist. just like this game is all about killing and hopefully it has a body counter so you can go on the interwebs and show off your new high score
yeah you're killing innoscent people. but the developers said to question what makes a mass murder go on a killing rampage. so go back to your angsty teenage years and live out what you wanted to do back then. you dont need gta/cod or whichever that lets you kill people anymore to get your anger/stress out. you got this game now ^^
why the **** do they want to kill me? for their K/D. thats all the solo players care about in COD. they dont care if im part of the U.S. army or terrorist. just like this game is all about killing and hopefully it has a body counter so you can go on the interwebs and show off your new high score
yeah you're killing innoscent people. but the developers said to question what makes a mass murder go on a killing rampage. so go back to your angsty teenage years and live out what you wanted to do back then. you dont need gta/cod or whichever that lets you kill people anymore to get your anger/stress out. you got this game now ^^
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I didn't give any new meaning to "brainless"
Just look at you, who is emotional now? Don't get offended just because people don't like this game.
Not only you are not responding to the questions or giving a good argument, you distorted what we said. I will never think games cause violence, obviously I never said games cause violence.... so you are replying to things I haven't said, you distort meaning of the comments you reply to. Try to comment when you are not angry like an "edgy teenager".
You are the only ignorant person in this thread thinking this is just another game when evidence that its not is all around you.
No one said this game would make people want to try mass murder at home, I'm only talking about the prupose of this game and its implications. I, like many others, have the freedom of saying this game is totally lame and lacks in every way possible
With this you made very clear that you will never be able to give a good and rational argument to defend this game, or even to give a reply that makes sense to what all of us have said.
BTW In the real world these tragedies have tripled in America since 2011
Rate of Mass Shootings Has Tripled Since 2011, Harvard Research Shows | Mother Jones
You can't accept that this strucks a nerve on many people, its not something for entertainment. Humans are very empathic creatures, though some seem to lack empathy and like to think they are rational because of that
Deckard, you made a good respectful comment and look what this guy replies to that... I think thats what happens when normal people talk to angry and "super edgy" teenagers
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Pilky likes this awful game, we get it. But, can we have a mod delete this thread already? It doesn't seem worthwhile to keep it open when there's only one guy on SSF who's supporting this garbage.
please!...
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Nah keep this thread open. It's hilarious how sensitive you all are.
Those of you supporting this game. Would you also support a game where you were to go to a school and shoot as many students as you could?
Frostlord
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This game looks badass
What is your stance on Rapelay?
Deckard
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I agree, keep it open. I like to know who the psychopaths are who think this looks "badass". Now I know who never to sell anything with my home adress on it.
Pilky likes this awful game, we get it. But, can we have a mod delete this thread already? It doesn't seem worthwhile to keep it open when there's only one guy on SSF who's supporting this garbage
This is it, right there. You don't like or agree with something, so you want it gone, deleted, etc. All of you are arguing against something I'm not even doing. You keep claiming I like this game, when I've made it very clear, that I am arguing for free speech. This means allowing something to exist when is not breaking any laws. You can keep claiming I love this game, but that is a lie, and not what I've been doing.
Why don't you just close your eyes, stick your fingers in your ears, and make some childish sound, since you can't have a reasonable debate.
Again, I'm not supporting the game. I support free speech and your question is a hypothetical straw man.
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