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ESB Yoda (only about 20 years after PT zero-g/parkour Yoda, so he's 920 years old vs 900)) seemed to know what he was doing force-wise yet he expended a fair amount of focus/effort to very slowly raise a small fighter from a bog and move it maybe 50ft.

Vader in OWK pulls a massive freighter craft (seemingly almost the size of the Tantive IV) many hundreds of feet above backwards out of the sky, crashes it, then tears massive metal chunks (the size of a truck) from it in just seconds.

In the ESB duel Vader seems okay lifting some smaller pieces of equipment but you'd think if he could crumple up doors/hallways during his Luke duel he'd have done it.

It opens up all kinds of questions beyond the Hoth base - why didn't he just pull/hold the Falcon to the star destroyer before it jumps to hyperspace at the very end of ESB (or various close-quarters times in the Falcon pursuit)? Or cripple Luke's fighter in the ANH trench sequence, or crumple any rebel ship that came near him?

I dunno, maybe Vader is weaker by ANH or something, maybe he's SUPER-MEGA-ANGRY at Obi Wan in that Kenobi scene, but it just seems like a bit of a slippery slope for a morsel of fan service that started with the RO hallway and seems to be going ballistic.
Oh I wasn't defending the OWK ship grab so much as just referencing the fact that I've long theorized that based on Yoda's teachings it very well might have been possible for Vader to stop the Falcon on Hoth--had he had the wherewithal to attempt it in that moment.

Based on Yoda raising the X-Wing it certainly doesn't seem to be a feat that can be performed as spur of the moment reflex (a la the OWK show) but if Vader had the right state of mind and amount of concentration in that moment, who knows, but it's fun to speculate about.

I do agree that the scene in OWK doesn't fit well with the OT but if you go backwards to the PT/TCW then we've seen stuff like that before. In the Tartofsky CW microseries Yoda even made two of those massive Trade Federation landing ships crash into each other just by using the Force.
 
I swear..I don’t know if it’s the bad makeup or this guys bloated face …but there is nothing intimidating or scary about this guy . He looks like a bad alien idea from a sci fi B movie



I’m thinking maybe Disney thought if he looked like a skinny guy ..maybe they think it might scare little kids watching

 
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I swear..I don’t know if it’s the bad makeup or this guys bloated face …but there is nothing intimidating or scary about this guy . He looks like a bad alien idea from a sci fi B movie



I’m thinking maybe Disney thought if he looked like a skinny guy ..maybe they think it might scare little kids watching

I've said it before but he reminds me of Kryten from Red Dwarf. :lol
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Or cripple Luke's fighter in the ANH trench sequence, or crumple any rebel ship that came near him?

Because that's not how the Force worked in ANH.

In ANH, it was a very different thing. It was subtle, almost like telepathy, and that was it. It was just focused feelings and energy.

Obi Wan used it to confuse the Tuskens and Stormtroopers on Tattooine and the Death Star, and he felt the deaths on Alderaan.

Vader sensed Obi Wan's presence and he sensed Luke's connection to the Force. He "choked" the mouthy Imperial but that could be considered to be the same sense of "strong suggestion" as the Jedi mind trick. He wasn't "physically" choking him but rather making him think he wasn't able to breath. Remember, when he REALLY choked a guy to death on the Tantive IV, he did it with his hands.

Luke's Force abilities were seen twice....he was able to sense where the remote was gonna shoot and he deflected the shots, and of course he calmed himself, focused, and made the shot that blew up the Death Star.

Really, the Force is a much less mystical thing in ANH. It's almost like "mindfulness" or ESP or something.

It wasn't until the writing of ESB that it took on its elevated status as an ability to manipulate physical objects like telekinesis. The first thing we see move by the power of the Force is Luke's saber when he's hanging upside down. Pretty crazy when you think about it. How the hell did he do that? He shouldn't have even thought it was possible.

We again see Vader choking several subordinates but we don't see him moving stuff around til he throw boxes at Luke. And of course there's the levitating rocks and X-Wing on Dagobah.

I don't think it was too outlandish in ROTJ either, with the exception of the Emperor's Force lightning.



And then came the good old PT, which made the Force a full blown super power with crazy running and all that stuff. And Midichlorians. Ugh. At the time I thought I'd never roll my eyes as hard at anything SW related more than the concept of "Midichlorians."

But never make assumptions. Disney managed to reach unthought of levels of full blown stupidity when they introduced a little character called "Rey" who not only possessed ALLLL of the crazy super powers from before without ever being told about them and zero training, but she was also able to PULL A MOVING STARSHIP FROM IT'S ACTUAL LIFTOFF BEFORE OBLITERATING IT WITH HER MIND. Holy crap that is the most blitheringly stupid thing I can imagine.


But that's Disney Trilogy, and that doesn't exist to me, so whatever.

The only Disney that exists to me is Mandalorian, and I don't think Luke did anything in his appearance that would be out of the ordinary in ESB/ROTJ with more focus and training, so that's cool.

Oh....wait.. I forgot.....Grogu "Force heals."


Never mind.


As you can see, attempting make any kind of sense out of this non-stop retconning and reversals going all the way back to 1977 is a complete exercise in futility.

Either accept it all in its complete ridiculousness, pick and choose what you like, or just wash your hands of the entire thing and watch something else.
 
In Disney's defense of Rey pulling the starship, that kind of thing was already done 4 years prior to the Lucasfilm purchase in the Force Unleashed.
 
But yeah why Vader doesn't pull the Falcon down in the Hoth base and tear the door off will forever remain a mystery (along with why he didn't just force-pull the Tantive IV to the destroyer in ANH to start with).... along with why he let the second ship go in this ep - force-juice depleted maybe?

Would have loved to have seen the Obi Wan speech on his escape plan - "I expect Vader will pull down and destroy the first ship he sees, so we'll be in the SECOND one, hidden right behind, and I just KNOW he won't destroy the second one like he did the first. And I'm sure the Imperials didn't notice the ginormous circular roof door above, so won't be waiting just outside to shoot us down the moment it opens. And the Imperial ships in space just above us.... I'm sure we'll breeze right past them. Now... how is ten year old Leia coming working alone on those electric systems to open the ginormous locked door for us?" 😬

Yup. Nobody is ever happy.:dunno
I may need to go back and watch these scenes again, but IIRC weren't both the Falcon and Tantive IV zipping away under full power (I guess I'm thinking Rogue One in the latter's case, not ANH), whereas in OWK the transport was a smaller ship that had to rise like a Harrier jet and clear the hangar doors before engaging full power? I know size matters not when it comes to the Force, but in my book physics still does lol...But yeah, as far as ship #2 I guess Obi-Wan relied on Anakin's blowing his full Force load on the first ship lol.

Also, in ANH the Star Destroyer had knocked out the Tantive IV's main reactor, so why waste Force juice on something a tractor beam can do just as easily?

In Disney's defense of Rey pulling the starship, that kind of thing was already done 4 years prior to the Lucasfilm purchase in the Force Unleashed.
Starship? Wasn't that the troop transport that Rey thought Chewie was on? Again, a smaller and less powerful ship. Plus she was a Palpatine - have we forgotten the ridiculous Palpatine/Yoda fight in ROTS? :lol
 
I may need to go back and watch these scenes again, but IIRC weren't both the Falcon and Tantive IV zipping away under full power (I guess I'm thinking Rogue One in the latter's case, not ANH), whereas in OWK the transport was a smaller ship that had to rise like a Harrier jet and clear the hangar doors before engaging full power? I know size matters not when it comes to the Force, but in my book physics still does lol...But yeah, as far as ship #2 I guess Obi-Wan relied on Anakin's blowing his full Force load on the first ship lol.

Also, in ANH the Star Destroyer had knocked out the Tantive IV's main reactor, so why waste Force juice on something a tractor beam can do just as easily?


Starship? Wasn't that the troop transport that Rey thought Chewie was on? Again, a smaller and less powerful ship. Plus she was a Palpatine - have we forgotten the ridiculous Palpatine/Yoda fight in ROTS? :lol
Looks like full power to me. It turns and angles skyward as he enters, then its thrusters appear to go full power just before he starts the pull.

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Because the CGI is pretty primitive, it's hard to tell, but the ship certainly looks to be bigger than the Falcon just judging by the space.

And "just a transport ship" can be relative - the standard OT rebel transport is several times larger than the Falcon.
 
Why are we debating this. It’s just a story inconsistency it happens lol. Of Vader did all his godlike stuff the series would be over in 5 min. He could have choked Luke from across the galaxy if he wanted.
 
Starship? Wasn't that the troop transport that Rey thought Chewie was on? Again, a smaller and less powerful ship. Plus she was a Palpatine - have we forgotten the ridiculous Palpatine/Yoda fight in ROTS? :lol
It's a ship and it flies in space....it's a starship. I've never seen the movie but I've seen most clips on youtube. The thing is straight up in full acceleration about to leave the atmosphere and Rey just goes "Ugh!" and grabs it like she's catching a softball.

I was just on an airplane the other day and it always freaks me out feeling the G's when we accelerate towards takeoff. Imagine that on a spaceship. But no....the Force can just stop it cause Rey says so, and Rey can literally do anything.
 
Looks like full power to me. It turns and angles skyward as he enters, then its thrusters appear to go full power just before he starts the pull.

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Because the CGI is pretty primitive, it's hard to tell, but the ship certainly looks to be bigger than the Falcon just judging by the space.

And "just a transport ship" can be relative - the standard OT rebel transport is several times larger than the Falcon.
Maybe it's just that the CGI isn't that great but perspective-wise I thought he was relatively close to the ship & therefore it seemed smaller than the Falcon to my eyes. Plus given that it was a decoy it now makes more sense to me that it would be using mainly maneuvering thrusters at that point. But regardless I think the intent was to show DV's focus being drawn away from the real transport ship, with Obi-Wan once again exploiting Anakin's tunnel vision when he's in attack mode. I'm not saying it was artfully done, but that IMO was the intent lol.

It's a ship and it flies in space....it's a starship. I've never seen the movie but I've seen most clips on youtube. The thing is straight up in full acceleration about to leave the atmosphere and Rey just goes "Ugh!" and grabs it like she's catching a softball.

I was just on an airplane the other day and it always freaks me out feeling the G's when we accelerate towards takeoff. Imagine that on a spaceship. But no....the Force can just stop it cause Rey says so, and Rey can literally do anything.
OK, if you're going to use the semantics argument then yes, it's a starship. But I guess I see those transports as akin to shuttle crafts in Star Trek. Sure, they can fly in space, but in terms of power, size and capabilities they can't compare to a full-blown STARSHIP.

No offense but your 'Rey says so' line cracks me up - as if a fictional character leaps off the page, picks up a pen and decides for herself what she's capable of doing with the Force lol...
 
If any character in fiction COULD do that, it would be Rey.

She can do anything.

She's like totally amazing and perfect and she's JUST as smart as she is beautiful, and she's so down to earth, and she's nice to everyone, even droids. Oh....and did I mention she's TOTTAALLLLY BADASSS!!!!!!

I love Rey. She's the best.
 
If any character in fiction COULD do that, it would be Rey.

She can do anything.

She's like totally amazing and perfect and she's JUST as smart as she is beautiful, and she's so down to earth, and she's nice to everyone, even droids. Oh....and did I mention she's TOTTAALLLLY BADASSS!!!!!!

I love Rey. She's the best.
You're right - she was even capable of pulling you from your "I hate everything" funk. I didn't think that was possible. She truly is EXTRAORDINARY!!!
 
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