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He would not burn anyway and would be reborn in the fire. Just a wild theory but the Night King and the Walkers could bring him back. I read a good theory that may end up leading them.
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Sorry, meant to use reply with quote, I was looking at previous post talking about Melisandre burning Jon's body.
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[h=1]George R.R. Martin: the ending for A Song of Ice and Fire may not be what you expect[/h]20 hours ago
by David (Razor) Harris
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At this point, no one knows how George R.R. Martin’s A Song of Ice and Fire novel series will end. For that matter, they’re pretty much in the dark about the ending to the TV adaptation, Game of Thrones, as well. Still, we’ve read and seen enough to make some educated guesses. Ask any fan of the show or books how it will all end, and the majority will answer: “George R.R. Martin will kill everyone and leave a wasteland of ice and snow filled with despair and broken dreams.”
Okay, maybe that’s a bit harsh, but what do you expect from fans of the man who seems to kill a Stark with every pen stroke? I still haven’t recovered from the Red Wedding, and I’ve read the series five times through, not to mention how many times I’ve seen “The Rains of Castamere.”
Sean T Collins of the Observer got a chance to sit down with George and ask him how he saw the ending of the series going…among other things. Will it all end in an apocalyptic fashion?
NEXT: Speculation: The case for Lady Stoneheart appearing in Season 6
by David (Razor) Harris
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At this point, no one knows how George R.R. Martin’s A Song of Ice and Fire novel series will end. For that matter, they’re pretty much in the dark about the ending to the TV adaptation, Game of Thrones, as well. Still, we’ve read and seen enough to make some educated guesses. Ask any fan of the show or books how it will all end, and the majority will answer: “George R.R. Martin will kill everyone and leave a wasteland of ice and snow filled with despair and broken dreams.”
Okay, maybe that’s a bit harsh, but what do you expect from fans of the man who seems to kill a Stark with every pen stroke? I still haven’t recovered from the Red Wedding, and I’ve read the series five times through, not to mention how many times I’ve seen “The Rains of Castamere.”
Sean T Collins of the Observer got a chance to sit down with George and ask him how he saw the ending of the series going…among other things. Will it all end in an apocalyptic fashion?
I haven’t written the ending yet, so I don’t know, but no. That’s certainly not my intent. I’ve said before that the tone of the ending that I’m going for is bittersweet. I mean, it’s no secret that Tolkien has been a huge influence on me, and I love the way he ended Lord of the Rings. It ends with victory, but it’s a bittersweet victory.
Martin reserved special praise for one of my favorite parts of The Return of the King, the Scouring of the Shire.
And the scouring of the Shire—brilliant piece of work, which I didn’t understand when I was 13 years old: “Why is this here? The story’s over?” But every time I read it I understand the brilliance of that segment more and more. All I can say is that’s the kind of tone I will be aiming for. Whether I achieve it or not, that will be up to people like you and my readers to judge.
This certainly gives me hope that, in the end, the good guys of the story will win. Maybe Jon Snow will become a Targaryen and marry Daenerys and usher the Seven Kingdoms into a new era of peace and prosperity…or the White Walkers/Others will just overrun everyone and everything, and Westeros will become one giant ice-skating rink with the undead horde doing pirouettes and playing pickup games of hockey. With George R.R. Martin, you never know what’s coming next, and that’s why we love him.
NEXT: Speculation: The case for Lady Stoneheart appearing in Season 6
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Editorial • Featured[h=1]Speculation: The case for Lady Stoneheart appearing in Season 6[/h]1 day ago
by Dan Selcke
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It is happening again. Since Season 3 of Game of Thrones, fans have been patiently waiting to see if Lady Stoneheart, a character who shows up at the end of George R.R. Martin’s A Storm of Swords, would appear on the show. It didn’t happen at the end of Season 3, but fans more or less shrugged that off. “She’ll show up next year,” they told themselves. “After all, Season 3 is only an adaptation of the first half of Storm of Swords.
When she didn’t show up in Season 4, they began to get more anxious. I’ll admit that it was around this time that I made up my mind that she probably wasn’t going to appear. Executive producers David Benioff and Dan Weiss were talking about entering the endgame ahead of their seven-season hardline, and I figured there just wouldn’t be time to tell her story. When she didn’t show up in Season 5, my suspicions seemed confirmed.
Well, now we know that Game of Thrones will run for at least eight seasons, so timing isn’t quite as urgent an issue. Also, there are a few other pieces of (highly circumstantial) evidence that have given me pause. This is all very speculative, but I’ve lately become convinced that it’s not impossible for Westeros’ most elusive Lady to make an appearance in Season 6.
First things first: for anyone who doesn’t know (this is your last chance to turn back before being spoiled, incidentally), Lady Stoneheart is the name given to Catelyn Stark after she’s resurrected by Beric Dondarrion following her death at the Red Wedding. Before Beric brought her back, Catelyn’s body spent three days in a river, so her skin is the color of curdled milk. Most of her hair is gone or turned white and brittle, and the throat wound that killed her is still hanging open. Essentially, she’s a walking corpse, and she isn’t pleased about it. She becomes the new leader of Beric’s brotherhood without banners and directs it to one purpose: vengeance. She and her men spend their time stalking the Riverlands and hanging anyone who was even tangentially connected with the Red Wedding, which mostly means members of the Frey family.
It’s that last bit that set off alarm bells in my head when a couple pieces of news surfaced recently. We haven’t seen Walder Frey, or any member of his vast brood, since Season 3, when the eldest Frey presided over the Red Wedding. That may be changing soon. David Bradley, who plays Walder Frey, recently admitted that he would be returning to the show at some point. That by itself isn’t surprising. People haven’t forgotten the Red Wedding, and they want to see Walder Frey get his comeuppance, whether it’s by Lady Stoneheart’s hand or someone else’s.
Walder Frey, killing the mood at parties since 2013.
If that was the only bit of news out there, I probably wouldn’t have thought too much of it. But there’s also this Season 6 casting call for “a son who is unable to live up to the demands of his savage father.” The son is in his late 30s, and is described as “hapless.”
Now, this could describe any number of characters*, but a lot of people have been assuming it describes Merrett Frey, one of Walder Frey’s many sons. Fleshy, a drunkard, and given to severe headaches, Merrett’s main purpose in A Storm of Swords is to run into Lady Stoneheart and be hanged, an unlucky end to an unlucky life. He could certainly be described as “hapless.”
Now, it’s possible, even probable, that this character isn’t Merrett Frey specifically but rather some kind of amalgamation of Frey sons. Still, my bet is that it’s a Frey, and one of the big things the Freys are up to around this point in the books is getting hunted by Lady Stoneheart.
There are other signs that we’ll be heading back to the Riverlands, aka Stoneheart territory, in Season 6. Another casting call suggests that the show will be casting the role of Septon Meribald, a rural priest who administers to the needs of the smallfolk in the Riverlands, for next year. Plus, it seems likely that Jaime will be heading this way after he returns from Dorne, since that’s what he does in A Feast for Crows. In short, the show seems to be setting us up for a story in the Riverlands, which means plenty of opportunities to bring in Stoneheart.
You don’t wanna see the ‘After’ picture.
The final piece of evidence comes courtesy of the show’s special effects department. A couple of months ago, prosthetics supervisor Barrie Gower revealed that there was a special effects sequence originally planned for Season 4. It got pulled and pushed to Season 5, and then got pulled again. “But now, in Season 6, it looks like we’re going to do it. Fingers crossed they won’t chicken out,” Gower said.
What could this special effects sequence entail? Well, whatever it involves, it would have to be able to work in Seasons 4, 5, or 6. That eliminates something with the dragons, who’ve grown over that time. It could conceivably involve the White Walkers, but that doesn’t help my case, so forget I said it. It could also be our introduction to the decrepit Lady Stoneheart, a scene that would certainly require the services of a prosthetics expert like Gower.
Again, all of this is speculation. It could be that the mysterious special effects sequence has nothing to do with Stoneheart, that the hapless son isn’t one of Walder Frey’s, and that Jaime will hang out in Dorne for another season. But it could point toward something else, something sinister and merciless.
And so our watch begins…again.
*The other big theory is that this character will be Dickon Tarly, brother to Sam and son of known hardass Randyll Tarly. I don’t think so, though. For one thing, Dickon is Sam’s younger brother, and since Sam isn’t in his late 30s, Dickon can’t be, either. Also, unlike Sam, Dickon actually lived up to his father’s expectations, so the description doesn’t seem to fit.
by Dan Selcke
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It is happening again. Since Season 3 of Game of Thrones, fans have been patiently waiting to see if Lady Stoneheart, a character who shows up at the end of George R.R. Martin’s A Storm of Swords, would appear on the show. It didn’t happen at the end of Season 3, but fans more or less shrugged that off. “She’ll show up next year,” they told themselves. “After all, Season 3 is only an adaptation of the first half of Storm of Swords.
When she didn’t show up in Season 4, they began to get more anxious. I’ll admit that it was around this time that I made up my mind that she probably wasn’t going to appear. Executive producers David Benioff and Dan Weiss were talking about entering the endgame ahead of their seven-season hardline, and I figured there just wouldn’t be time to tell her story. When she didn’t show up in Season 5, my suspicions seemed confirmed.
Well, now we know that Game of Thrones will run for at least eight seasons, so timing isn’t quite as urgent an issue. Also, there are a few other pieces of (highly circumstantial) evidence that have given me pause. This is all very speculative, but I’ve lately become convinced that it’s not impossible for Westeros’ most elusive Lady to make an appearance in Season 6.
CAUTION: THIS POST CONTAINS SPOILERS FOR A FEAST FOR CROWS AND A DANCE WITH DRAGONS
First things first: for anyone who doesn’t know (this is your last chance to turn back before being spoiled, incidentally), Lady Stoneheart is the name given to Catelyn Stark after she’s resurrected by Beric Dondarrion following her death at the Red Wedding. Before Beric brought her back, Catelyn’s body spent three days in a river, so her skin is the color of curdled milk. Most of her hair is gone or turned white and brittle, and the throat wound that killed her is still hanging open. Essentially, she’s a walking corpse, and she isn’t pleased about it. She becomes the new leader of Beric’s brotherhood without banners and directs it to one purpose: vengeance. She and her men spend their time stalking the Riverlands and hanging anyone who was even tangentially connected with the Red Wedding, which mostly means members of the Frey family.
It’s that last bit that set off alarm bells in my head when a couple pieces of news surfaced recently. We haven’t seen Walder Frey, or any member of his vast brood, since Season 3, when the eldest Frey presided over the Red Wedding. That may be changing soon. David Bradley, who plays Walder Frey, recently admitted that he would be returning to the show at some point. That by itself isn’t surprising. People haven’t forgotten the Red Wedding, and they want to see Walder Frey get his comeuppance, whether it’s by Lady Stoneheart’s hand or someone else’s.
Walder Frey, killing the mood at parties since 2013.
Now, this could describe any number of characters*, but a lot of people have been assuming it describes Merrett Frey, one of Walder Frey’s many sons. Fleshy, a drunkard, and given to severe headaches, Merrett’s main purpose in A Storm of Swords is to run into Lady Stoneheart and be hanged, an unlucky end to an unlucky life. He could certainly be described as “hapless.”
Now, it’s possible, even probable, that this character isn’t Merrett Frey specifically but rather some kind of amalgamation of Frey sons. Still, my bet is that it’s a Frey, and one of the big things the Freys are up to around this point in the books is getting hunted by Lady Stoneheart.
There are other signs that we’ll be heading back to the Riverlands, aka Stoneheart territory, in Season 6. Another casting call suggests that the show will be casting the role of Septon Meribald, a rural priest who administers to the needs of the smallfolk in the Riverlands, for next year. Plus, it seems likely that Jaime will be heading this way after he returns from Dorne, since that’s what he does in A Feast for Crows. In short, the show seems to be setting us up for a story in the Riverlands, which means plenty of opportunities to bring in Stoneheart.
You don’t wanna see the ‘After’ picture.
What could this special effects sequence entail? Well, whatever it involves, it would have to be able to work in Seasons 4, 5, or 6. That eliminates something with the dragons, who’ve grown over that time. It could conceivably involve the White Walkers, but that doesn’t help my case, so forget I said it. It could also be our introduction to the decrepit Lady Stoneheart, a scene that would certainly require the services of a prosthetics expert like Gower.
Again, all of this is speculation. It could be that the mysterious special effects sequence has nothing to do with Stoneheart, that the hapless son isn’t one of Walder Frey’s, and that Jaime will hang out in Dorne for another season. But it could point toward something else, something sinister and merciless.
And so our watch begins…again.
*The other big theory is that this character will be Dickon Tarly, brother to Sam and son of known hardass Randyll Tarly. I don’t think so, though. For one thing, Dickon is Sam’s younger brother, and since Sam isn’t in his late 30s, Dickon can’t be, either. Also, unlike Sam, Dickon actually lived up to his father’s expectations, so the description doesn’t seem to fit.
Invictus Sol
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Cool, that's some great speculation and I hope it turns out to be the case. Nice to confirm the show will be 8 seasons, too. I think that's perfect. Thanks for the info, Spartan.
kristiirizary
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I think George Martin is an incredible author, what I love about Game of Thrones is the grey. I hope the Walkers are also grey and there is a reason for their return, plus I love how they thrive on the evils of man. Also, when I looked up Children of the forest, it is a very common term for Native Americans. Only my crazy game of thrones theory, but feel the Walkers, children of the forest represent nature in a way, and the dragons represent nature, true form of chaos. I think Game of Thrones could still end without complete destruction, but I think it will end much like real life a compromise made between two enemies after they realize it is the only way not to destroy each other.
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White Walkers don't seem very reasonable. They're archetype evil, like Sith Lords, Sauron and Hitler.
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White walkers who can be convinced to be a non-threat would be the epitome of anti-climactic.
fosing
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white walkers with their zombies with speaking lines.
that would be tantamount to that vegetarian zombie from that gawd awful day of the dead movie.lolz
that would be tantamount to that vegetarian zombie from that gawd awful day of the dead movie.lolz
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apparently the entire plot for season 6 leaked online.
i'm weak so i read it
also, i knew if it was true, i'd probably forget by the time it aired anyway... but all of it seems too good to be true. if true, we are in for one helluva season.
i'm weak so i read it
also, i knew if it was true, i'd probably forget by the time it aired anyway... but all of it seems too good to be true. if true, we are in for one helluva season.
greygoose
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apparently the entire plot for season 6 leaked online.
i'm weak so i read it
also, i knew if it was true, i'd probably forget by the time it aired anyway... but all of it seems too good to be true. if true, we are in for one helluva season.
Spoiler:
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^ I think he was spotted shooting
apparently the entire plot for season 6 leaked online.
i'm weak so i read it
also, i knew if it was true, i'd probably forget by the time it aired anyway... but all of it seems too good to be true. if true, we are in for one helluva season.
Dude, don't keep us hanging...
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Guess that means I'll have to avoid this thread now.
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and MAJOR SPOILERS if true... deaths and more so don't click if you're going to get pissed if it's true..
what I remember, but there was much more that was leaked if it all ends up being true.
I'm personally taking it all with a grain of salt, a lot of it sounds too good to be true.
greygoose
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I've read the top spoiler. Could you expand on that answer please?...
I'm not reading the second spoiler.
I'm not reading the second spoiler.
Invictus Sol
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Ohhh, good times if true. Regardless we're in for a fantastic story but all of those points are interesting and could be great. Can't wait for what season 6 has in store....and MAJOR SPOILERS if true... deaths and more so don't click if you're going to get pissed if it's true..
what I remember, but there was much more that was leaked if it all ends up being true.
I'm personally taking it all with a grain of salt, a lot of it sounds too good to be true.
YankeesFanboy
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Thanks for using spoiler tags, not going to click on it. 
bruhkis
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Thanks for using spoiler tags, not going to click on it.
willpower....clicked 5 times.....I will be surprised when I see it
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