1/6 INART (Queen Studio) - The Dark Knight - Joker Collectible Figure

choombaz said:

Toll are horrendous, I’ve had nothing but bad experiences with them. Worst customer service I’ve ever seen.

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I'm the opposite. I've had nothing but good experiences with them. I get them fast. I rarely ever use toll though.

We have expert box designers here too. What a fantastic place this is.

Gipetto0812 said:

Bottom tray-jail cell bars
Middle tray- jail cell base and standard base with maybe the guns and bombs
Top tray- both figures with hands/arms on the outer edges and the two head canisters down the middle vertically between the two bodies instead of horizontally. Would’ve been about as big as the DX07 box, maybe a little deeper, but not by much. There’s ways to do it.

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Like I said, you just described a big box that's now just deeper with more layers, instead of being thinner and wide like it is right now. There really isn't THAT much of a difference is what I'm saying.

It would def be wider + deeper than the DX07 since you need to account for space of the 2 rooted sculpts. My point is that changing it around really isn't gonna change it that much the way people are making it out to be. It's not gonna grow down half in size. The box size right now really isn't that crazy all things considered.

What's the saying? The bigger the better the tighter the sweater...

InArt should’ve just informed retailers about how huge the box would be from the beginning.

I'm sure all retailers are on alert now. The next box will be smaller, but we'll all now be charged for a "larger box" just in case.

Hologram AI said:

Like I said, you just described a big box that's now just deeper with more layers, instead of being thinner and wide like it is right now. There really isn't THAT much of a difference is what I'm saying.

It would def be wider + deeper than the DX07 since you need to account for space of the 2 rooted sculpts. My point is that changing it around really isn't gonna change it that much the way people are making it out to be. It's not gonna grow down half in size. The box size right now really isn't that crazy all things considered.

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There’s a lot of unused space on that top tray of the DX07. You Can fit all the hands and the two heads there when you allocate the space properly as I mentioned. The DX07 box isn’t that big. And given its more common shape, it’s easier to store. The irregular shape of the InArt packaging is what’s causing the issue. It’s a design problem, simple as that and that design problem along with increased shipping prices has then trickled down to shipping issues for retailers that is then passed on to the customer.

Maybe you’re right, and in-hand there won’t be that much difference. But judging from what we know now, plus it being mentioned that you can fit the DeLorean in this box makes its sound pretty big.

At the end of the day though, this I what we’re getting so it is what it is. I just hope InArt learns from this going forward.

Captain Clown said:

InArt should’ve just informed retailers about how huge the box would be from the beginning.

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Yes this I agree with. Gandalf, Aragorn and Pennywise should be fine and more closer to a normal Hot Toys box.

That Batman triple pack though...

Captain Clown said:

InArt should’ve just informed retailers about how huge the box would be from the beginning.

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definitely their fault there. kit wasnt notified how big the box would be nor other sellers id figure

xXJ0kerXx1 said:

definitely their fault there. kit wasnt notified how big the box would be nor other sellers id figure

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He said he asked them a few times and they never answered if I remember correctly.

The packaging for the standard figure is great. The deluxe and premium could’ve been probably about an extra half size wider than the standard to accommodate the extra bits and done. No need for this long, oblong shape.

Hologram AI said:

People keep saying that the packaging is crazy or weird like Inart purposely made it obnoxiously big when I feel like that isn't the case at all. Everything that's included needs to be placed somewhere in a box. Just look at the contents of the 2 pack rooted version in the picture below.

How do you package it so that it's magically smaller than how it currently is? Where do you put the two encased rooted sculpts? Where does the giant diorama jail cell base go? Say they made the box deeper instead of it being skinny + wide like it is right now. Great, it's now the same big box but instead it's vertically very deep and tall.

The box issue simply stems from this 2 rooted package just offering a lot of stuff. Look at the single sculpted figure packaging for this. It's the size of a normal Hot Toys. Now imagine it duplicated for the second body/outfit + the jail cell base having to be packaged somewhere + the two rooted sculpts + the jail cell bench. You end up with the same problem.

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I’m not saying you’re wrong but there does seem to be a fair amount of wasted space in the packaging design.



It flares out giving the packaging a triangular shape for seemingly little reason. With some reconfiguring they probably could have shred off the wings and kept the box a tradition rectangular shape.



The accessories probably need a little rearranging to make it work but there seems to be plenty of space even keeping more or less the same layout of the figures on one level and the diorama on the other.

You can only make the package so small though, I get that. I do think this was unnecessary large though with the wings creating that triangular shape that automatically balloons shipping costs dimensionally, even if not adding significant weight. Every inch counts.

I can’t say for certain, of course, without seeing this in hand but from what we’re seeing it does seem to be a bit of overkill. Granted with something this expensive protection is key but those canisters the heads are in seem fairly capable of that already. I suppose I’d rather them be overly cautious than not take enough steps to insure a safe delivery but at a certain point making the box bigger serves to only drive up the overall costs for everyone with little gained from it.

I will be really curious about the Batman set as that will likely be their next big package challenge. I’m sure they’re taking the criticism on Joker and analyzing their options going forward.

Hologram AI said:

People keep saying that the packaging is crazy or weird like Inart purposely made it obnoxiously big when I feel like that isn't the case at all. Everything that's included needs to be placed somewhere in a box. Just look at the contents of the 2 pack rooted version in the picture below.

How do you package it so that it's magically smaller than how it currently is? Where do you put the two encased rooted sculpts? Where does the giant diorama jail cell base go? Say they made the box deeper instead of it being skinny + wide like it is right now. Great, it's now the same big box but instead it's vertically very deep and tall.

The box issue simply stems from this 2 rooted package just offering a lot of stuff. Look at the single sculpted figure packaging for this. It's the size of a normal Hot Toys. Now imagine it duplicated for the second body/outfit + the jail cell base having to be packaged somewhere + the two rooted sculpts + the jail cell bench. You end up with the same problem.

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I’m not gonna lie. I kind of forgot momentarily that it came with the jail cell. They get a pass on Nakatomi Tower for that one.

choombaz said:

Ok thanks, Sugo lists the following so it seems likely there will be an additional surcharge.

For Australian Customer:​

Oversized Items will be shipped via Toll IPEC by default. Other shipping couriers are available upon request.

** Oversized shipping surcharge may apply for heavy statues over 22kg and box size over 0.25 cubic meters. We will contact the receiver if a surcharge is required upon dispatch.

For Overseas Customer:​

* Oversized shipping surcharge may apply if the final package size/weight is exceed the original weight quoted at checkout. We will contact the receiver if addtional shipping charge is required upon dispatch.
** Please contact our support for DHL shipping quote.
** Items over 20kg or volume over 0.25m2 can only be shipped via DHL Express.

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I'm guessing you've never ordered anything bigger than a Hot Toy from them. It's not just the size, but your location that in practice that seems to incur that surcharge (regional areas and the like).

I buy primarily Queen Studio pieces from them, including life size busts and 1/2 scale statues and they completely dwarf the size of this box many, many times over, and I've never been hit with a surcharge.

The last few I've received had these dimensions:

847x577x1210mm, 1280x723x483mm, 640x630x920mm, 585x545x878mm.

And like most statues, they weigh quite a bit, unlike those for posable figures.

Hologram AI said:

People keep saying that the packaging is crazy or weird like Inart purposely made it obnoxiously big when I feel like that isn't the case at all. Everything that's included needs to be placed somewhere in a box. Just look at the contents of the 2 pack rooted version in the picture below.

How do you package it so that it's magically smaller than how it currently is? Where do you put the two encased rooted sculpts? Where does the giant diorama jail cell base go? Say they made the box deeper instead of it being skinny + wide like it is right now. Great, it's now the same big box but instead it's vertically very deep and tall.

The box issue simply stems from this 2 rooted package just offering a lot of stuff. Look at the single sculpted figure packaging for this. It's the size of a normal Hot Toys. Now imagine it duplicated for the second body/outfit + the jail cell base having to be packaged somewhere + the two rooted sculpts + the jail cell bench. You end up with the same problem.

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I can think of a few solutions but in a package this big you cant ignore all the tiny spaces between everything. All that adds up. The shape of the box also means. It will be inserted in the rectangular shipper so all that space in the picture below is also wasted. That can fit 4 more figures stacked. I can cut down the box size by 1/3 at least and have all of it fit in a organized way. Hire me Inart

Head chambers should be placed above the body, and then the two oriented opposite one another. Keep chambers in upright orientation tho. Cuts down one row worth of space, figures can sit closer.

Hands and accessories should be two, parallel trays that slide into the box alongside the figures. The middle third is reduced.

That alone could have cut that box down by half, but it would require some jail cell assembly trickery to break that down. But I think a stacking format under the hypothetical one above would have done it.

Jail cell in bottom tray, half a centimeter styrofoam on top, wooden base on top of that. Character tray on top of bottom tray, two bodies side by side, heads sitting above neck of bodies, the circular base sitting under the bodies, arms around the bodies in closish proximity, boom all the space is saved.

Despite of the drama, the sculpted hair Joker has the same quality paint as the rooted hair version.
I didn't doubt it

OK I see it now, the head does look kinda big when he isn't wearing the coat. That sculpt does anyway, but I'm assuming the 2 heads are the same size.

It's good Inart did such an outstanding job with the figures because I agree about the ridiculous box.

There really is no excuse not to make it a standard shape and maximise use of volume for shipping and storage. All dead space is charged for. It's not free to the buyer. Plus the box design and odd manufactoring would have increased the cost too.