The Official Batman Movies Thread.

[Animal Mother.]

I see the storm clouds of a Keaton vs Bale debate forming... This is one that rages eternal on Imdb.

The way I see it....Batman Begins beats and stomps the beetlejuice out of the first movie. Now. I think both movies came out at the perfect time. I was a little kid when Batman 89 was out, and I don't think I would have enjoyed BB at the same age. But they were both released at the perfect time in my life where I could get the maximum enjoyment out of both. I'm glad that movie was released when it was and BB while i'm in my 20's.

I have to admit, theres something about the Keaton costume that I do prefer over Bales. It's more...elemental and primal, which is funny cause thats what Bales Bruce was going for. But, a tiny guy that needs platforms/lifts just doesn't strike me as a scary Batman. I don't care how cold his stare is.

I'll never forget how funny I thought it was when he grabbed Vicky Vale in the museum and extended his pipe cleaner to shoot the grapple gun.

 

[8th wonder]

=Animal Mother.;773579]I see the storm clouds of a Keaton vs Bale debate forming... This is one that rages eternal on Imdb.

The way I see it....Batman Begins beats and stomps the beetlejuice out of the first movie. Now. I think both movies came out at the perfect time. I was a little kid when Batman 89 was out, and I don't think I would have enjoyed BB at the same age. But they were both released at the perfect time in my life where I could get the maximum enjoyment out of both. I'm glad that movie was released when it was and BB while i'm in my 20's.

Funny since the first batman movie is much more violent that Batman Begins. batman begins is really just a kiddie flick. Batman Returns however was made for a mature audience.

Keaton batman is a tormented hermit batman that kills.

I think you'll never see a Nolan batman movie where: batman deliberately torches somebody, a pinguin who wants to give all children a cold watery grave, nearly bites someones nose of (blood gushing), makes pornographic remarks, a catwoman that comes alive while being chewed upon by stray cats, slashes a rapist's face open (blinding him), a bruce wayne comparing his psyche to a Ted Bundy kind of guy, a batman that might actually envy the freak for being a freak, the gruesome ascent of the penguin in the end, catwoman's morbid kiss of death (max shreck) while she is tormented by multiple bullet wounds, the sado-masochistic relationship of batman and catwoman etc...etc..need i go on?

I have to admit, theres something about the Keaton costume that I do prefer over Bales. It's more...elemental and primal, which is funny cause thats what Bales Bruce was going for. But, a tiny guy that needs platforms/lifts just doesn't strike me as a scary Batman. I don't care how cold his stare is.

If someone has thaught us that being tall has nothing to do with being intimidating it was Bruce Lee. Keaton Batman is a martial artist, he doesn't need to be a buffed up idiot, he has the brains and the skills to fight. Keaton's face blends with the batman mask, it is almost organic. Did you ever notice the mask has keatons eyebrows? Now for Bale: what i don't find intimidating is a batman that talks whit a geeky lisp, comes across like a spoiled yuppie bratt, has a voice like he has some kind of throat disease and looks like he has never shaved befor. Bale batman is the ultimate geek. Throw in the awfull looking suit, the laughable batmobile and the bad art deco and you have one pathetic batman. O let's not forget that it has one of the most childish attempts of character development i ever saw in such a pretentious film. well it was written by Groyer.

I'll never forget how funny I thought it was when he grabbed Vicky Vale in the museum and extended his pipe cleaner to shoot the grapple gun. .

I never forget how funny it was seeing batman begins, people actually like this?

 

[Customikey]

The way this new Bat-Universe is set up, the villain needs to have something psychological that links him/her womehow with Bats. Joker and Two-Face make sense. R'as only sort of made sense for me. I wasn't satisfied by his character at all.

Now, I am a huge Penguin fan. You don't even understand. I have loved every iteration of the Penguin from the comics, Saint Burgess Meredith, Lord Danny DeVito, and Captain Paul Williams. I dug the wimp-cum-bully and the mutant. I even love our new mobbed-up nightclub owner. I don't know why, I just do.

At first glance, the Penguin is little more than a gimmick-villain. Looks like a penguin, fights with umbrellas. Very clever, Mr. Kane. However, it does make sense that someone has to take over for the gangster caught in the first one. And if, as R'as believed, Batman's presence will create a surge of monsters that flock to Gotham, it makes sense that those monsters will take on more and more outrageous shapes.

By those standards, I think ol Pengers would fit quite well into the Nolan Batverse.

 

[Animal Mother.]

Keaton batman is a tormented hermit batman that kills.

And this is why the movie fails for a lot of Bat fans after Begins was released. You like the interpretation that Burton gave you, thats cool. But the things that you liked aren't what Batman is about. Everything that was true about the character was found in Nolan's vision. But you sound REEALLLLY passionate about your dislike for Begins...so I'll back off

 

[8th wonder]

And this is why the movie fails for a lot of Bat fans after Begins was released. You like the interpretation that Burton gave you, thats cool. But the things that you liked aren't what Batman is about. Everything that was true about the character was found in Nolan's vision.

You got a point there, to be honest i'm only a fan of Burton/keaton's batman, i'm not a fan of the comic-book batman or other incarnations.

 

[drunk_leprechaun]

And this is why the movie fails for a lot of Bat fans after Begins was released. You like the interpretation that Burton gave you, thats cool. But the things that you liked aren't what Batman is about. Everything that was true about the character was found in Nolan's vision. But you sound REEALLLLY passionate about your dislike for Begins...so I'll back off

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[drunk_leprechaun]

You got a point there, to be honest i'm only a fan of Burton/keaton's batman, i'm not a fan of the comic-book batman or other incarnations.

this might seem odd, but i HATED the character batman untill i saw nolans movie.. the whole idea of a man wearing that suit didnt work except for bat manbegins.. where every aspoect has a more or less believable reason behind it

 

[8th wonder]

this might seem odd, but i HATED the character batman untill i saw nolans movie.. the whole idea of a man wearing that suit didnt work except for bat manbegins.. where every aspoect has a more or less believable reason behind it

Yes a bored spoiled yuppie, it is believable, but interesting? Not really, not to me atleast. The near schizo Keaton Batman is a bit more interesting in my opinion.

 

[drunk_leprechaun]

Yes a bored spoiled yuppie, it is believable, but interesting? Not really, not to me atleast. The near schizo Keaton Batman is a bit more interesting in my opinion.

not gonna argue with that. this may not make sensse being that im dead drunk, but i find reeve to be the definitive superman( ive never seen any of reeves superman movies, but i grew up seeing reeves as superman in pictures and thats what it is to me.. that new actor in superman returns ust doesnt look that part. for me at least. one question, did you think that batman begins score rocked compares to the burtons batman? i loved it, cant wait for the dark knight score.


P.S - is there a reeve's superman 1/6 scale superman figure out there? im thiking of buying a HT superman and gettting a custom reeves sculpt painted to put on it.

 

[plasmid303]

Yes a bored spoiled yuppie, it is believable, but interesting? Not really, not to me atleast. The near schizo Keaton Batman is a bit more interesting in my opinion.

But Batman Begins moves into territories deeper than "spoiled rich guy beats up bad guys in a suit". It shows us Bruce's motivation, the philosophy behind his decision to wear a silly suit, and most importantly, it explores a theme and driving force that most of us share or at the very least confront on a daily basis: fear. I'm talking generally here, the fear of terrorism, the fear of a figure of immense power that we can never understand, the fear of loss. Begins is the most sophisticated of the Batman films. It's also the only Batman film to expand upon the Batman mythos. In no other film (or maybe even comic) do we get to see Bruce's journey from just a rich kid to a vengeful ninja/ass kicker. In no other Batfilm are we allowed to understand why a person would wear a suit and mask to fight crime (or even how the suit was created for that matter).

Batman Begins is the film for Batman comic fans. Goyer and Nolan read countless graphic novels including "Arkham Asylum" and The Killing Joke and they extrapolated from those great stories to form their own. And it's a great thing for all of us.

As great as Batman 89 was, It could never be as complete as Batman Begins.

Oh, and I'd take Bale (he's an f-ing ninja!) over poopie face Keaton any day. At least Bale looked the part.

 

[Lord Aykroyd]

You got a point there, to be honest i'm only a fan of Burton/keaton's batman, i'm not a fan of the comic-book batman or other incarnations.

Have you read Year One or The Dark Knight Returns?

 

[plasmid303]

Or hell, any of the modern Batman stories? Arkham Asylum, The Man who Laughs, The Killing Joke, Venom, Year One, etc.?

If the only Batman comics you've read were the goofy non-canonical stuff, then I could understand why you aren't a fan of the comic Batman.

 

[drunk_leprechaun]

But Batman Begins moves into territories deeper than "spoiled rich guy beats up bad guys in a suit". It shows us Bruce's motivation, the philosophy behind his decision to wear a silly suit, and most importantly, it explores a theme and driving force that most of us share or at the very least confront on a daily basis: fear. I'm talking generally here, the fear of terrorism, the fear of a figure of immense power that we can never understand, the fear of loss. Begins is the most sophisticated of the Batman films. It's also the only Batman film to expand upon the Batman mythos. In no other film (or maybe even comic) do we get to see Bruce's journey from just a rich kid to a vengeful ninja/ass kicker. In no other Batfilm are we allowed to understand why a person would wear a suit and mask to fight crime (or even how the suit was created for that matter).

Batman Begins is the film for Batman comic fans. Goyer and Nolan read countless graphic novels including "Arkham Asylum" and The Killing Joke and they extrapolated from those great stories to form their own. And it's a great thing for all of us.

As great as Batman 89 was, It could never be as complete as Batman Begins.

Oh, and I'd take Bale (he's an f-ing ninja!) over poopie face Keaton any day. At least Bale looked the part.

im drunk nough to say this.

MARRY ME!!

 

[plasmid303]

im drunk nough to say this.

MARRY ME!!

I appreciate the offer mate, but there's not enough booze in the world to get me to do that.

 

[Lord Aykroyd]

Or hell, any of the modern Batman stories? Arkham Asylum, The Man who Laughs, The Killing Joke, Venom, Year One, etc.?

If the only Batman comics you've read were the goofy non-canonical stuff, then I could understand why you aren't a fan of the comic Batman.

Fair enough - its pretty obvious BB was modelled off of Year One and The Long Halloween though.

The Dark Knight Returns is a great example of Bruce Wayne the hermit and also arguably the best Batman comic ever written.

 

[Mobeill]

It's real easy, One Batman played Mr. Mom, and the other is Cool. When Keaton said, "I'm Batman" in that first movie I spit my soda all over the guy in front of me It sounded so funny. Bale is a serious Batman, for serious Batfans.

 

[Cocoboloboy]

It's real easy, One Batman played Mr. Mom, and the other is Cool. When Keaton said, "I'm Batman" in that first movie I spit my soda all over the guy in front of me It sounded so funny. Bale is a serious Batman, for serious Batfans.

 

[Mobeill]

 

[8th wonder]

It's real easy, One Batman played Mr. Mom, and the other is Cool. When Keaton said, "I'm Batman" in that first movie I spit my soda all over the guy in front of me It sounded so funny. Bale is a serious Batman, for serious Batfans.

Yes a serious overacting batman with a gay-lisp and with a voice that sounds like he has throat cancer and who clearly borrowed his suit from the props of the power ranger movie. One might have played Mr. Mom (Keaton is just multi-talented) but the other has played allot of homo's if you have a concept of Bale's early carier. I like Bale as a actor, he is just a joke as batman.'

 

[8th wonder]

not gonna argue with that. this may not make sensse being that im dead drunk, but i find reeve to be the definitive superman( ive never seen any of reeves superman movies, but i grew up seeing reeves as superman in pictures and thats what it is to me.. that new actor in superman returns ust doesnt look that part. for me at least. one question, did you think that batman begins score rocked compares to the burtons batman? i loved it, cant wait for the dark knight score.


P.S - is there a reeve's superman 1/6 scale superman figure out there? im thiking of buying a HT superman and gettting a custom reeves sculpt painted to put on it.

I agree with you on that Christopher Reeve was and still is the best superman. the batman begins score was to uncreative in my opinion. Sounded like allot of scores out there. The Elfman batman theme is just masterfull.