Star Wars: The Force Awakens (12/18/15)
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furystorm
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I understood it. I believe he means it looked real.
I understood it. I believe he means it looked real.
Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (2015) Discussion Thread
That's not at all what organic means
As far as looking real, I think the only thing that looks more realistic in the OT is Yoda, the puppet was much better than the TPM version and the CG Yoda was clearly CG. Other than that, the PT did as well or better. And the problem with the PT isn't so much the quality of CG, it's the reliance on it over a good story.
That's not at all what organic means
As far as looking real, I think the only thing that looks more realistic in the OT is Yoda, the puppet was much better than the TPM version and the CG Yoda was clearly CG. Other than that, the PT did as well or better. And the problem with the PT isn't so much the quality of CG, it's the reliance on it over a good story.
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3.
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b. Raised or conducted without the use of drugs, hormones, or synthetic chemicals: organic chicken; organic cattle farming.
c. Serving organic food: an organic restaurant.
d. Simple, healthful, and close to nature: an organic lifestyle.
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Organic -
adj.
1. Of, relating to, or derived from living organisms: organic matter.
2. Of, relating to, or affecting a bodily organ: an organic disease.
3.
a. Of, marked by, or involving the use of fertilizers or pesticides that are strictly of animal or vegetable origin: organic vegetables; an organic farm.
b. Raised or conducted without the use of drugs, hormones, or synthetic chemicals: organic chicken; organic cattle farming.
c. Serving organic food: an organic restaurant.
d. Simple, healthful, and close to nature: an organic lifestyle.
4.
a. Having properties associated with living organisms.
b. Resembling a living organism in organization or development; interconnected: society as an organic whole.
5. Constituting an integral part of a whole; fundamental.
6. Law Denoting or relating to the fundamental or constitutional laws and precepts of a government or an organization.
7. Chemistry Of or designating carbon compounds.
Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (2015) Discussion Thread
By "organic" I mean practical, tangible... real. They're solid objects that can be touched and felt. And I personally think that still makes a difference. It's 2013 and it's still very rare when a CG image looks truly photorealistic. Hell, I personally prefer clunky model work against blue screens over the current over-reliance on animation. It's a personal preference, yes... But it's definitely one I share with many.
It's time for SW to be a good bit less cartoony again. And that's not just in tone, it's in aesthetics as well.
By "organic" I mean practical, tangible... real. They're solid objects that can be touched and felt. And I personally think that still makes a difference. It's 2013 and it's still very rare when a CG image looks truly photorealistic. Hell, I personally prefer clunky model work against blue screens over the current over-reliance on animation. It's a personal preference, yes... But it's definitely one I share with many.
It's time for SW to be a good bit less cartoony again. And that's not just in tone, it's in aesthetics as well.
rushmore223
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I also prefer actual people in costumes and masks/makeup FX over fully CG characters any day.
And don't even get me started on the troopers. In the PT every god damned Clone/Stormtrooper had fully CG armor. Ridiculous. People in suits or GTFO.
I also prefer actual people in costumes and masks/makeup FX over fully CG characters any day.And don't even get me started on the troopers. In the PT every god damned Clone/Stormtrooper had fully CG armor. Ridiculous. People in suits or GTFO.
rushmore223
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The OT felt real, lived in and often times, worn down, like the real world. That went a long way to establish believability.
75% of the stuff in the PT felt out of place, only when the action was moving fast did I not notice that almost everything was CG.
Yoda in the OT was, and still is a marvel of Puppeteering/animatronics at it's absolute best. Would love to see someone try to top Yoda.
Yoda in the PT never looked half as good as the OT Yoda did. The puppet looked wonky in Ep. 1 and the CG Yoda never looked believable in 2 and 3. The only CG creature I have ever felt fully invested in, was Gollum from the LOTR.
I am so glad they are going back to the roots of Star Wars to try and recapture that magic.
The OT felt real, lived in and often times, worn down, like the real world. That went a long way to establish believability.
75% of the stuff in the PT felt out of place, only when the action was moving fast did I not notice that almost everything was CG.
Yoda in the OT was, and still is a marvel of Puppeteering/animatronics at it's absolute best. Would love to see someone try to top Yoda.
Yoda in the PT never looked half as good as the OT Yoda did. The puppet looked wonky in Ep. 1 and the CG Yoda never looked believable in 2 and 3. The only CG creature I have ever felt fully invested in, was Gollum from the LOTR.
I am so glad they are going back to the roots of Star Wars to try and recapture that magic.
Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (2015) Discussion Thread
They probably won't be doing practical FX just for the sake of it, if it's cheaper then yes. But they will still use CG when it can do what they need more realistically and when it's cheaper. Just like any movie. I think they might tone down how much FX is necessary in general based off the actual story.
There are bad CG in movies, but there's much more bad practical FX than that. If it weren't for CG then most of the movies/TV that you like these days wouldn't exist.
They probably won't be doing practical FX just for the sake of it, if it's cheaper then yes. But they will still use CG when it can do what they need more realistically and when it's cheaper. Just like any movie. I think they might tone down how much FX is necessary in general based off the actual story.
There are bad CG in movies, but there's much more bad practical FX than that. If it weren't for CG then most of the movies/TV that you like these days wouldn't exist.
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CG is fine when done with taste. i love the way Fincher utilizes it... it literally has to be pointed out. it's like a spice... overuse only throws things off balance. a cg alien character superimposed over a green screen is basically a cartoon...
CG is fine when done with taste. i love the way Fincher utilizes it... it literally has to be pointed out. it's like a spice... overuse only throws things off balance. a cg alien character superimposed over a green screen is basically a cartoon...
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That's what I call ROTS. A cartoon with a few live action things thrown in. Like Roger Rabbit in reverse.
That's what I call ROTS. A cartoon with a few live action things thrown in. Like Roger Rabbit in reverse.
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gibby
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LOL! Now that would be cool!
The RVs are much smaller, though, so it could get cramped.
You know...I don't think he does. Oh boy.
We're taking an RV to Scotland? I'm so confused.
He knows he's gotta wear a skirt, right?
LOL! Now that would be cool!
The RVs are much smaller, though, so it could get cramped.
You know...I don't think he does. Oh boy.
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Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (2015) Discussion Thread
And use sets more rather than actors working with a blue screen. that hurt the PT's when you could tell the actors weren't lined up holding a CG person or thing and it felt like it hurt their acting because they were in a big room with a blue screen (or green or whatever color it is). especially bad in TPM.
And use sets more rather than actors working with a blue screen. that hurt the PT's when you could tell the actors weren't lined up holding a CG person or thing and it felt like it hurt their acting because they were in a big room with a blue screen (or green or whatever color it is). especially bad in TPM.
Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (2015) Discussion Thread
It definitely hurt their acting, but I think if they had a better script it wouldn't have been as much of an issue. Also at that time there wasn't as much bluescreen in use so they probably weren't ready to act in that way.
It's easier for something to look real when it's based off something that actually is, like how he's done CG sets in many of his movies. But he also likes doing some things that aren't at all natural with CG.
It definitely hurt their acting, but I think if they had a better script it wouldn't have been as much of an issue. Also at that time there wasn't as much bluescreen in use so they probably weren't ready to act in that way.
It's easier for something to look real when it's based off something that actually is, like how he's done CG sets in many of his movies. But he also likes doing some things that aren't at all natural with CG.
Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (2015) Discussion Thread
Darthviper are you saying that you found the CG elements of the PT to look more realistic than the actual existing elements of the OT?
You thought the CG clones looked more realistic than Stormtroopers? That Utapau looked more realistic than Hoth? Etc.
Darthviper are you saying that you found the CG elements of the PT to look more realistic than the actual existing elements of the OT?
You thought the CG clones looked more realistic than Stormtroopers? That Utapau looked more realistic than Hoth? Etc.
Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (2015) Discussion Thread
DV has a degree in CG I think, so his POV might be a little bit biased towards that element of FX.
DV has a degree in CG I think, so his POV might be a little bit biased towards that element of FX.
Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (2015) Discussion Thread
Yes, there's very few things in the OT that look actually realistic---meaning the stuff that's not actually real. I don't know if you can compare CG clones to stormtroopers since they're different designs that aren't filmed together. We have seen CG stormtrooper with real stormtroopers though in the special editions of the OT which look just fine.
Utapau was like 3 very detailed miniatures, if you are complaining about that not looking realistic compared to using realistic models then you might be confused.
As far as things not looking realistic---take for instance the AT-At walkers in ESB, they don't look very realistic because it's stop-motion, the go-motion technique only added camera motion blur so the actual motions still look fake. On top of that, since they blew up miniatures, the explosion scale is way too small and doesn't look real either.
Yes, there's very few things in the OT that look actually realistic---meaning the stuff that's not actually real. I don't know if you can compare CG clones to stormtroopers since they're different designs that aren't filmed together. We have seen CG stormtrooper with real stormtroopers though in the special editions of the OT which look just fine.
Utapau was like 3 very detailed miniatures, if you are complaining about that not looking realistic compared to using realistic models then you might be confused.
As far as things not looking realistic---take for instance the AT-At walkers in ESB, they don't look very realistic because it's stop-motion, the go-motion technique only added camera motion blur so the actual motions still look fake. On top of that, since they blew up miniatures, the explosion scale is way too small and doesn't look real either.
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