DouglasMcc said:
It's actually called debating ... people only seem to call it arguing when they can't debate the points, but I digress.
I never said that you wrote it. However, no matter who pinned it, I highly doubt any of the rest of us wanted to have to look at it a second time. The majority of us already accepted that Bay is probably a huge A$$hat. Doesn't change the fact that most of us loved Transformers and you did not. Also, doesn't change the fact that many people enjoy Bay's movies and you do not. So, if you want to debate the myriad of points I have posted previously, let me know. Otherwise, I guess we are done here.
Well said Douglas. Your argument came off sound and well constructed, without coming off to brash and insulting. Other then the part were you call Michael Bay an asshat. It sounds like Dave just wants to persuade those of us into thinking we were fooled into believing this movie was good. Sorry Dave, it's just not going to happen. You can complain how far fetched and silly the movie is and why those of us find this movie entertaining, boggles your mind to no end, however, the end result will remain the same. You have your opinion and we have our's. The great thing about having an opinion, is that it's your's. The not-so-great thing about having an opinion is not everyone is going to agree with it. Constantly replaying this old track won't change matters. Instead, it just makes for repetitive tedious discussion. I have been at fault for this in the past, but I too have a hard time fathoming as to why certain individuals like certain films. Through time I have tried to accept the fact not everyone shares my views or opinions.
Transformers the movie was never meant to be more than just brain dead frivolous good fun. After all, you need to look no further than the source material it's based upon. Those cartoons were so mediocre in hindsight, it was laughable. Yet to a degree they were also very entertaining, just as long as you could ignore all the animatical (yes I made up the word) errors and gaping plot holes. Or how certain characters were introduced into the series from out of thin air with no logical explanation, other than they were just there. They would often leave the same way. I accepted that the Transformers movie would follow suit, based on the simple premise that the character names are silly for starters, and of course the bigger thing being, that we have big gigantic alien organic robots that take on the shape and form of man made machinery like land driven vehicles, jets, right down to small electronic devises such as cell phones and boomboxes. Then to top it off, they have to speak coherent english! The whole idea of that kind of world is absurd. Based on that thought alone, I fail to see how anyone could have taken on this project and done a much better job than Mr. Bay and company. How can you make that kind of world seem serious and believable? You can't. In all honesty, I am okay with that, because for the most part I felt this movie still stayed faithful to the source material. Yet at the same time it provided us with enhanced visuals we have never seen before, and some immature, yet funny at times, comedic moments.
I prefer films that are packaged with intelligent dialogue, exuberant acting and story telling. Thus why my favorite all-time movie is appropriately, the ShawShank Redemption. Recent favorites have come in the shape or form of movies like Gangs of New York, Frequency, the Whale Rider, City of God, and the Fastest Indian, just to name a few.
But that put all aside, I came into the Transformers movie as a long-time fan of its original 1980's Saturday morning cartoon counterpart, and the toyline that it was made around. I came in with wide open eyes that it would be what it was. No Oscar worthy movie. Just 149 minutes of orgasmic joy! All it takes is watching one episode of the original Generation 1 series and you're reminded just how close the two are to eachother.
I am not asking that you change your mind into liking this movie. More-or-less, just giving you my perspective as to why I enjoyed it.
Get this, I absolutely detested Independence Day yet absolutely loved this movie. Perhaps my childhood clouds my judgement and has made be a bit biased, but I would gladly accept ass kicking robots that turn into recognizable things we use every day over aliens in huge burnt pancake shaped flying saucers decimating cities. The reason I bring ID4 up is because there are a lot of familiarities to it when put up against Michael Bay's Transformers.
That's my opinion anyway.
FYI buddy I didn't write that poem, it was written by someone very high up on the production of the film who worked closely with Bay and posted it at the movie wrap party to express his disatisfaction with Bay's so-called "vision."
