John Wick 4 - May 21st, 2021

[JAWS]

[SPOILER="About the ending"] He didn't. The conversation between The King and Winston at his grave stone made that clear. The question about heaven/hell alludes to the question of if Wick will be at peace, not living "the life of an assasin". The Marquis told him during the film that he could not stand retirement. Now his friends/allies are asking if he was right. Also, the John Wick movies are not told as "actual events", they are a fable. The legend of John Wick. It's very meta that they talk about John Wick as the Baba Yaga, a folk tale, because the filmmakers are tellingt US a folk take themselves. That's why we can forgive the over-the-top action, and accept the punishment Wick can take. John Wick is the tale of Keiser Soze drawn out over several movies.[/SPOILER]

I was actually referring to Mr. Nobody. Stating that I didn’t think he had to die at the end. I think kev thought I wanted him to die .

 

[jye4ever]

Ok I’ve been thinking about these 3 things with JW4:

1. Ring
2. Car
3. Dog

Spoiler:

JW discussion at the church I think provides enough of an excuse why he didn’t get the ring and car back.

He was pretty much foreshadowing his return to Helen and the sacrifice of his earthly materials because ultimately a return to Helen was what mattered most not a car and a ring.

But the dog, we have a problem that can’t be overlooked.

Winston had it last in 3.

That dog was never leashed.

Bowery King in 4 has a dog on a leash in the subway and he never even addresses the dog and more importantly nor does Wick.

Was that a different dog?

If so where the heck was his dog!!!

Charon died it wasn’t with him.

 

[JAWS]

Ok I’ve been thinking about these 3 things with JW4:

1. Ring
2. Car
3. Dog

Spoiler:

JW discussion at the church I think provides enough of an excuse why he didn’t get the ring and car back.

He was pretty much foreshadowing his return to Helen and the sacrifice of his earthly materials because ultimately a return to Helen was what mattered most not a car and a ring.

But the dog, we have a problem that can’t be overlooked.

Winston had it last in 3.

That dog was never leashed.

Bowery King in 4 has a dog on a leash in the subway and he never even addresses the dog and more importantly nor does Wick.

Was that a different dog?

If so where the heck was his dog!!!

Charon died it wasn’t with him.

Told you the movie wasn’t that good

 

[JAWS]

Drinker seemed to have all the same issues I did

 

[jye4ever]

At 2nd viewing with wife and son lol

 

[jye4ever]

Ok final thoughts after 2nd viewing.

Are you listening Critical JAWS lol

After 1st viewing 9/10

After 2nd viewing 10/10

Masterpiece.

Everything that bugged me the first time was GONE!

I even liked the Tracker this time out lol

Nothing bugged me not the car, ring, dog, missing cameos, dark France, staircase roll, JW damage tolerance or high table nothing I say!

It isn’t just a little better than JW1-2-3 it blows them away completely!

The character drama was as good as the set pieces.

You know what would’ve been interesting.

Spoiler:

Instead of him dying he becomes the new concierge in NY. Would’ve put Charon in a new light that’s for certain.

.

Simply put it is in my top 10 of best action movies ever.

This just made things very difficult for action movies going forward that’s for certain because a very high bar has been set.

 

[davejames]

Fantastic movie that I'd say is definitely the best of the sequels, and really glad they had the balls to end it the way they did. And I really hope Keanu can resist the pleading from the studio to make another one, as I'm not sure they could pull off another ending as good as this one.

Of course when it comes to action, nothing will ever beat the antique armory scene in Part 3 for me, just for how insanely cool and off the wall that was.

 

[Sixth Scale Man]

Saw it last night and thoroughly enjoyed it. From the Lawrence Of Arabia match cut to the satisfying finale with some of the best action set-pieces put on film in between. Stunt performers really earning their money! Gotta appreciate the fact we got 4 extremely entertaining and ferocious action films with Keanu Reeves. The dude is awesome. Happy to leave it there though and don't feel like it needs any more exploring. Oh, and nunchucks!

 

[chrisstbh]

Going to see this on Saturday, can't wait. Will probably finally pick up my first JW Hot Toys when they put it up too, no idea why I haven't already bought a previous one.

 

[Khev]

Drinker seemed to have all the same issues I did

So you agree that it was a mostly excellent finale. Good.

 

[JAWS]

It’s

So you agree that it was a mostly excellent finale. Good.

lol. It’s weird cause I thought he was going to heap praise on the film looking at the title. But all his criticisms were the same as my me.

 

[JAWS]

Ok final thoughts after 2nd viewing.

Are you listening Critical JAWS lol

After 1st viewing 9/10

After 2nd viewing 10/10

Masterpiece.

Everything that bugged me the first time was GONE!

I even liked the Tracker this time out lol

Nothing bugged me not the car, ring, dog, missing cameos, dark France, staircase roll, JW damage tolerance or high table nothing I say!

It isn’t just a little better than JW1-2-3 it blows them away completely!

The character drama was as good as the set pieces.

You know what would’ve been interesting.

Spoiler:

Instead of him dying he becomes the new concierge in NY. Would’ve put Charon in a new light that’s for certain.

.

Simply put it is in my top 10 of best action movies ever.

This just made things very difficult for action movies going forward that’s for certain because a very high bar has been set.

I’ll be very happy if my 2nd viewing takes it from a 6/10 to a 7/10

I don’t see if happening but I really hope I’m wrong.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Has John Wick surpassed Neo as Keanu Reeves' signature role? Actors can have more than one, so Neo, Ted, Johnny Utah, and the film Speed are still among his iconic roles, but is John Wick # 1? In my opinion, yes. For me it was a draw between Neo and Wick, until JW4.

Anyway, I saw it again. It's a fun stylish film. Is it me, or was John going to heaven foreshadowed when he met with Winston at the cemetery? When John was walking up the snowy steps to go see Winston, it almost looked like he was going to heaven. Well, that's the way it looked to me anyway.

My ranking

1. JW1
2. JW4
3. JW2
4. JW3

 

[MeatHookGekko]

Has John Wick surpassed Neo as Keanu Reeves' signature role?

He's in a rare position to have been the lead in more than one successful franchise.

Zoe Saldana, for example, has been pretty lucky or had great timing to be in the Star Trek, Avatar and GOTG franchises. That's an incredible run for her age. But she's not the lead in any of those films and no one is going out of their way to see her in a movie ( not like Denzel Washington, Tom Hanks and Tom Cruise)

Some big franchises are built on a concept that's the draw ( Jurassic Park and the dinosaurs) or legacy franchises that the actor isn't carrying as much as filling a role ( James Bond, Dr Who, etc, etc) or just ensembles ( LOTR, Avengers, etc, etc)

Stallone has the Rocky and Rambo franchises. The Expendable is more of a fan service kind of ensemble. But he also has more than one major franchise. His run is pretty incredible - 5 Rambo films, 6 Rocky films plus two Creed films, 3 Expendable films.

I'm not sure if Wick surpasses The Matrix in terms of total impact, but I'd wager part of the appeal of Wick is, like Top Gun Maverick, that it's a film that's trying to have fun with audience and isn't trying to apologize for it. It's also not trying to lecture the audience nor shame it for what it loves.

That's what a lot of people like about Keanu Reeves. He's not trying to do anything but work hard and try to make a good movie for people to enjoy.

 

[Zurdo95D]

So it's looking like it's another awesome JW movie! Can't wait to go see it!!

 

[Zurdo95D]

A real functioning suit inspired by the movies was made!! Cool!!

 

[JAWS]

Has John Wick surpassed Neo as Keanu Reeves' signature role? Actors can have more than one, so Neo, Ted, Johnny Utah, and the film Speed are still among his iconic roles, but is John Wick # 1? In my opinion, yes. For me it was a draw between Neo and Wick, until JW4.

Anyway, I saw it again. It's a fun stylish film. Is it me, or was John going to heaven foreshadowed when he met with Winston at the cemetery? When John was walking up the snowy steps to go see Winston, it almost looked like he was going to heaven. Well, that's the way it looked to me anyway.

My ranking

1. JW1
2. JW4
3. JW2
4. JW3

Since JW has 4 good to great films and the matrix only has one then I say YES

 

[Khev]

Has John Wick surpassed Neo as Keanu Reeves' signature role? Actors can have more than one, so Neo, Ted, Johnny Utah, and the film Speed are still among his iconic roles, but is John Wick # 1? In my opinion, yes. For me it was a draw between Neo and Wick, until JW4.

Anyway, I saw it again. It's a fun stylish film. Is it me, or was John going to heaven foreshadowed when he met with Winston at the cemetery? When John was walking up the snowy steps to go see Winston, it almost looked like he was going to heaven. Well, that's the way it looked to me anyway.

My ranking

1. JW1
2. JW4
3. JW2
4. JW3

My son said that the first one is still his favorite with 4 being second just like you.

I agree with you and JAWS on John Wick being Keanu's most signature role at this point. Of course it helps that his character's name is also the title of the series, ha ha.

 

[jye4ever]

My son said 4-3-1-2 same as my list.

He gets to keep his Xbox privileges lol

 

[Khev]

My son said 4-3-1-2 same as my list.

Mine too!