Hawkeye Disney+ Series

[e30ernest]

Also, I don't know how to feel about

Spoiler:

the reveal that Clint's wife is actually Mockingbird. As an AoS fan, I still want Adrianne Palicki to retain that title.

 

[The Buffinator]

Spoiler:

I have the Hot Toys Mk85 in front of me.... The actor that played "Stark" in the musical looks more like RDJ than my figure....

I wonder what's next for Yelena. She failed her mission. I wonder if Val will still be connected to her after this.

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I expect Yelena will show up in some team up with Kate and other Young Avenger types in the not-to-distant future. I could see Clint maybe retiring from the field and serving in a Nick Fury-like advisor capacity. Seems logical that he’d stay involved in Kate’s next outing in some capacity, as it was only in this last episode that he finally acknowledged their partnership. Leaving her to go it alone immediately after that wouldn’t track.
As for Val, I could be wrong but I think she was acting as more of an independent broker for Eleanor with the contract on Clint. I’m guessing Kingpin gave Eleanor her name.

 

[e30ernest]

Good points. Yeah that makes sense.

Bit of a long wait before I get to see NWH (it shows on January here). So if I'm posting stuff that are actually addressed there, please don't spoil it hahahahaha

 

[The Buffinator]

Good points. Yeah that makes sense.

Bit of a long wait before I get to see NWH (it shows on January here). So if I'm posting stuff that are actually addressed there, please don't spoil it hahahahaha

I've been trying to be careful not to "cross the streams" and spoil anything NWH related, so I think you're good lol. I'm still using spoiler tags in the NWH movie thread (well, most of the time), so even if you accidentally wander into that thread it probably won't be one of MY posts that ruins something for you lol...

 

[Victοr]

Well, that was dissapointing. 6 hours (well, considering how long each episode was, more like 3) down the drain. I wanted to have a good, comfy time, but nah. Armand/Swordsman was the best part of the show, hands down. I really hope he returns. Anywhere, in any capacity. Just give me more Tony Dalton. Also, Jesus Christ, stop quipping for a single second. I can't take it anymore... Anyway, Loki remains the best D+ show for me.

 

[Stront]

Haven't watched yet, but I've seen the general consensus which sucks. I absolutely agree about Dalton/Swordsman, very underrated and one of my favorite parts of the show.

 

[ZE_501]

Haven't watched yet, but I've seen the general consensus which sucks.

It's not that bad. Entertaining, some massive plot holes because it's a Happy Fun Time show but this is still my favourite of the D+ shows.

 

[ZE_501]

So:

Spoiler:

• Typical Marvel problem: why is Wilson Fisk terrorizing a city when there are Avengers around capable of beating Thanos? They can’t all be that busy, all the time. They’re obviously well aware of him. Even mere S.H.I.E.L.D. agents could have taken him out inside of a weekend. He’s just a gangster.
• This Kingpin is by the looks of things, Disney-fied. From the Hawaiian shirt, to meeting with relatively low-level operatives in crappy locations, to lacking the white hot homicidal rage and instead being a more moustache-twirling, caricatured version of himself.
• Ronin didn’t kill him why? Because he was snapped away maybe? But surely *someone* could have taken him out post-snap.
• Kate’s speech to Clint about heroism was a good one.
• “Weird flex” oh come on that slang’s already outdated and I don’t believe that was the point the writers were trying to make. Bleh.
• Bro Sniper was useless
• I get having the cop at the party but using the other LARPers (Medics etc.) as staff looks to be reckless endangerment of civilians.
• I figured Yelena would have at least knocked Kate unconscious so she could work but we got slapstick. Ah well.
• Gotta say, I like Clint’s new outfit.
• A not insignificant amount of arrows fired into centre body mass. Disney likes to gloss over the murder-y parts but I saw ‘em!
• How did Kate tank a punch from The Kingpin and remain conscious, never mind alive? And she should never have gone one-on-one with him. Truly shows he’s Kingnerfed now.
• It’s not really clear what Yelena was told that she believes so strongly that Clint killed Natasha. There was no evidence for it and it certainly doesn’t line up with the whole Natasha is an Avenger thing.
• Clint should’ve led with the whistle maybe?
• I don’t for a second believe that Maya killed Kingnerfed.
• Clint’s wife is a … well then. Makes sense I guess.
• I actually liked that Clint made it home for Christmas. Wholesome is good sometimes.
• The musical number is stuck in my head now.

 

[matticus]

Spoiler:

Kingpin is all I cared about with this show. YT algorithm thankfully helped me out with that. Hot Toys, make that Kingpin with white jacket, black undershirt and cane.[/ISPOILER]

 

[darth dennis]

So:

Spoiler:

• Typical Marvel problem: why is Wilson Fisk terrorizing a city when there are Avengers around capable of beating Thanos? They can’t all be that busy, all the time. They’re obviously well aware of him. Even mere S.H.I.E.L.D. agents could have taken him out inside of a weekend. He’s just a gangster.
• This Kingpin is by the looks of things, Disney-fied. From the Hawaiian shirt, to meeting with relatively low-level operatives in crappy locations, to lacking the white hot homicidal rage and instead being a more moustache-twirling, caricatured version of himself.
• Ronin didn’t kill him why? Because he was snapped away maybe? But surely *someone* could have taken him out post-snap.
• Kate’s speech to Clint about heroism was a good one.
• “Weird flex” oh come on that slang’s already outdated and I don’t believe that was the point the writers were trying to make. Bleh.
• Bro Sniper was useless
• I get having the cop at the party but using the other LARPers (Medics etc.) as staff looks to be reckless endangerment of civilians.
• I figured Yelena would have at least knocked Kate unconscious so she could work but we got slapstick. Ah well.
• Gotta say, I like Clint’s new outfit.
• A not insignificant amount of arrows fired into centre body mass. Disney likes to gloss over the murder-y parts but I saw ‘em!
• How did Kate tank a punch from The Kingpin and remain conscious, never mind alive? And she should never have gone one-on-one with him. Truly shows he’s Kingnerfed now.
• It’s not really clear what Yelena was told that she believes so strongly that Clint killed Natasha. There was no evidence for it and it certainly doesn’t line up with the whole Natasha is an Avenger thing.
• Clint should’ve led with the whistle maybe?
• I don’t for a second believe that Maya killed Kingnerfed.
• Clint’s wife is a … well then. Makes sense I guess.
• I actually liked that Clint made it home for Christmas. Wholesome is good sometimes.
• The musical number is stuck in my head now.

Spoiler:

I can do this alllllll day!

 

[choombaz]

No way is KP dead, there is precedence in the comics when Maya shot him point blank but in this he could have just as easily batted the gun away when it goes off.

I don’t have a problem with KP not being like he is in the Netflix shows. Feige would never go there, he had little involvement in those shows and KF has never shown, even before Disney bought them, an interest in doing graphic violence. He’s more the 60s and 70s Marvel style. I did like the little twitches D’Onofrio did when he got cranky. This is most definitely KP, just a different interpretation.

I’m getting the impression the NF shows are definitely not canon and this may be just the beginning for him, the bro’s were cheap muscle, he wasn’t working out of a penthouse etc.

Agree with everyone else that said more Jack. I didn’t have a problem with the way they resolved his character but he needs to come back, heck if it were up to me I’d give him his own show.

I was really impressed with the action and effects in this episode, this show has been the best in those regards over the other MCU shows. Might be the grounded aspect I liked too, car chases, hand to hand over anything cosmic.

i get the impression they have dropped Val. I could be wrong but not a single mention? I was a bit dubious about the whole Yelena thinking Clint killed Nat but Pugh really sold me with the blind rage I can’t think objectively about this aspect. And Clint as well, being completely exasperated by her until he remembered the whistle. As a parent at Christmas I can tell you it’s not easy.

the watch reveal was so obvious but i didn’t really think of it. Not sure what that means for the future of Mockingbird. Again I’m sad no Palicki she was really good but it may just be a little Rosebud moment more than anything else. Cardellini does rock though in her own way.

It stuck the landing ( I hate that expression but couldn’t think of anything better) in a way that F&WS and Loki and even WV to an extent, did not for me.

 

[e30ernest]

So:

Spoiler:

• Typical Marvel problem: why is Wilson Fisk terrorizing a city when there are Avengers around capable of beating Thanos? They can’t all be that busy, all the time. They’re obviously well aware of him. Even mere S.H.I.E.L.D. agents could have taken him out inside of a weekend. He’s just a gangster.

So with regards to this, I've been thinking about the same thing. And the only thing his existence here makes sense to me is that:

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he was not an "Avenger" problem since the MCU Avengers were never about street-level things. SHIELD could have taken him out but then again, SHIELD even in the MCU has been a shady agency, and he probably had connections within the organization as well.

Clint and Laura obviously knew about him, and I am guessing Ronin stopped just before he could get to Kingpin. This was alluded in the auction at the beginning of the series when they mentioned the Ronin almost took out the head of organized crime (Fisk) but he disappeared before he could finish the job. This is why Kingpin was also worried with news about the Ronin returning along with an Avenger poking his head into Kingpin's business.

 

[user 64404]

Also, I don't know how to feel about

Spoiler:

the reveal that Clint's wife is actually Mockingbird. As an AoS fan, I still want Adrianne Palicki to retain that title.

Actually they can use the multiverse to bring her from the AOS universe to the MCU to be a fully suited Mockingbird, this happened in a way during the Secret Invasion.

 

[The Buffinator]

Also, I don't know how to feel about

Spoiler:

the reveal that Clint's wife is actually Mockingbird. As an AoS fan, I still want Adrianne Palicki to retain that title.

Until someone like Feige says

Spoiler:

she was/is Mockingbird, all we know for sure is that in the MCU she was "Agent 19". It's possible they're mixing things up and a Bobbi Morse Mockingbird could still be introduced. Heck, based on their kids' ages Laura's been out of S.H.I.E.L.D. for long enough that there would be no overlap with an Adrianne Palicki Mockingbird (should Feige want to bring her into the MCU). Maybe she (or someone else) will be the next generation Mockingbird, similar to how Kate is the next gen Hawkeye. I've seen sillier theories.

 

[e30ernest]

Actually they can use the multiverse to bring her from the AOS universe to the MCU to be a fully suited Mockingbird, this happened in a way during the Secret Invasion.

Until someone like Feige says

Spoiler:

she was/is Mockingbird, all we know for sure is that in the MCU she was "Agent 19". It's possible they're mixing things up and a Bobbi Morse Mockingbird could still be introduced. Heck, based on their kids' ages Laura's been out of S.H.I.E.L.D. for long enough that there would be no overlap with an Adrianne Palicki Mockingbird (should Feige want to bring her into the MCU). Maybe she (or someone else) will be the next generation Mockingbird, similar to how Kate is the next gen Hawkeye. I've seen sillier theories.

Both true. I like the possible Secret Invasions tie-in.

 

[Dave_W]

Whistling is the new Martha. Also Marvel need to decide how Pym particles work.

 

[jye4ever]

It was nice seeing The Hulk in this ripping doors off cars and getting up from being hit by a vehicle!

Oh wait that was the human KP lol

No DD was a huge missed opportunity!

Yelena’s motivation made no sense.

Eleanor’s arc was pedestrian at best.

Clint’s costume was boring.

Yelena talking with Clint at Rockefellar Center ice rink for minutes without one cop showing up yeah ok.

Not impressed.

 

[The Buffinator]

Whistling is the new Martha. Also Marvel need to decide how Pym particles work.

Just no.

It was nice seeing The Hulk in this ripping doors off cars and getting up from being hit by

Oh wait that was the human KP lol

No DD was a huge missed opportunity!

Yelena’s motivation made no sense.

Eleanor’s arc was pedestrian at best.

Clint’s costume was boring.

Yelena talking with Clint at Rockefellar Center ice rink for minutes without one cop showing up yeah ok.

Not impressed.

Having DD in a Hawkeye show that already had a 2nd Hawkeye plus the new Black Widow would have been too much...unless you wanted this to be the Disney+ equivalent of Spider-Man 3 lol.

Yelena was grieving because she lost her sister (from her standpoint) right after she got her back. She was looking for someone to blame & therefore easily manipulated into believing Clint was at fault. I think we were supposed to think her interactions with the obviously good KB led her to questioning that belief, but yes it could have been done better. But that happens when you try to cram in multiple storylines into a 6 episode run. Now imagine if there was a DD sub-plot too!

And DUH, no one called the cops because they figured they'd just beat Grills to death while all the criminals escaped. It is set in NYC after all!

 

[e30ernest]

they'd just beat Grills to death while all the criminals escaped. It is set in NYC after all!

I was really expecting Grills to die. I'm glad he didn't.

 

[karamazov80]

Well, I just saw this last episode, and I thought it was terrific. I thought this show was fun, the characters were likable, and the end had some nice payoffs. Yes, Kingpin was MCU-ified, but of course he was. You aren't going to see Netflix 2.0 here. I'm very much looking forward to whatever comes next from Clint and Kate. And hopefully we do see more of the Swordsman, perhaps as part of the Thunderbolts. With his panache it's easier to see him putting on a comic styled suit, which would be terrific.