Man of Steel (SPOILERS)

[meth head]

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When you think about the script, it was put together very similarly to BATMAN BEGINS, from the flashback origin segments to the 3rd Act deus ex machina. This is Goyer's obvious shtick by now. I really hope Zack and others have more story input from the beginning from now on.

That is what is so perplexing to me. It mirrors BB in so many ways and that was lorded over. This however is getting panned by a large segment of people, potentially a lot of them that loved BB so much. I just don't get it

 

[olbertfrog]

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I do think filmmakers should probably more cognizant of the emotional impact that destroying skyscrapers has on people in the shadow of 9-11.

I mean, we don't know if people were even in those buildings. It's easy to assume they were full of people, but it was never explicitly established in the movie. In fact the only time you see people inside a building during the climax, it's the Daily Planet... and they are evacuating. But then tons of buildings and vehicles get damaged, and people are turned off because that aspect is never resolved (though it very well could be in the sequel(s)).

People have been asking for a live action equivalent of the Bruce Timm animated shows/movies for years, and that's exactly what the 3rd Act of this film is. Seriously, just watch "Superman Doomsday" now... it's uncanny.

But again, 9-11 changed more than just freedoms and world security. It also changed collective unconcisousness. And I do think people now have a complex about watching huge destruction of buildings in movies, even though you'd think stuff like TRANSFORMERS would have desensitized that by now. This is a valid concern, and I do think filmmakers should be more aware of it.

Peoples usually dont care about casualities in blockbusters movies as long as they feel its fake, its popcorn stuff. But here Snyder an co succeded in making this world so real that it makes some uncomfortable.
I think its great that people are bringing that up, the movie makes you feel like one of the civilian (especially that shot when the two are fighting in the street of Métropolis). Not every director manages to make you invest yourself like that.
In one shot Snyder références directly 9/11 by putting one the iconic debris of the twin tower right behind Zod before the final fight begins.


To me yes people died, it was a warzone.
But most got away, underground or filed the city when zods ship appeared.

 

[Niltusk]

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Peoples usually dont care about casualities in blockbusters movies as long as they feel its fake, its popcorn stuff. But here Snyder an co succeded in making this world so real that it makes some uncomfortable.
I think its great that people are bringing that up, the movie makes you feel like one of the civilian (especially that *** when the two are fighting in the street of Métropolis). Not every director manages to make you invest youself like that.

To me yes people died, it was a warzone.
But most got away, underground or filed the city when zods ship appeared.

Just the fact that people are upset with the "possible" deaths shows the scenes had effect.

 

[spindrift]

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With a $125 million opening weekend, we can breathe easier if your a Supes fan, looks like a sequel is assured and Cavill gets another film.

 

[IrishJedi]

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With a $125 million opening weekend, we can breathe easier if your a Supes fan, looks like a sequel is assured and Cavill gets another film.

Zack, Nolan and I think Goyer ( ) signed on for 3 long ago, and I believe Cavill signed on for 4-5 (which I assume would include JUSTICE LEAGUE and/or other tie-ins).

 

[JAWS]

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When you think about the script, it was put together very similarly to BATMAN BEGINS, from the flashback origin segments to the 3rd Act deus ex machina. This is Goyer's obvious shtick by now. I really hope Zack and others have more story input from the beginning from now on.

I thought of that the other day. Wondering why I accepted it in Batman but not MoS. I think the difference is besides the death of his family, Batman's childhood and teenage years are not as important (seems to be the same in the comics).

Also the fact that Batman begins allows Bruce Wayne to have lots of dialogue and we watch his growth from Rich boy with a revenge/death wish to crime fighter.

Bruce Wayne is also an easier character to identify with. None of Us are Aliens from Outer space with Superpowers.. So it would have been nice to allow us to try and know him and identify with him better.

Not saying any of us know what it's like to be a millionaire and fight crime but I can identify with that easier.

The Batman films are in a class of their own. They nailed Bruce Wayne and made scenes with him just as interesting as scenes with Batman.

For me anyways.

 

[spindrift]

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Zack, Nolan and I think Goyer ( ) signed on for 3 long ago, and I believe Cavill signed on for 4-5 (which I assume would include JUSTICE LEAGUE and/or other tie-ins).

In certain angles and shots Cavill reminds me of Chris Reeve..odd, maybe my mind creating that because I think Cavill's performance had the same sincerity and strength as CS!

 

[IrishJedi]

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I thought of that the other day. Wondering why I accepted it in Batman but not MoS. I think the difference is besides the death of his family, Batman's childhood and teenage years are not as important (seems to be the same in the comics).

Also the fact that Batman begins allows Bruce Wayne to have lots of dialogue and we watch his growth from Rich boy with a revenge/death wish to crime fighter.

Bruce Wayne is also an easier character to identify with. None of Us are Aliens from Outer space with Superpowers.. So it would have been nice to allow us to try and know him and identify with him better.

Not saying any of us know what it's like to be a millionaire and fight crime but I can identify with that easier.

The Batman films are in a class of their own. They nailed Bruce Wayne and made scenes with him just as interesting as scenes with Batman.

For me anyways.

But if you have a problem with the terraforming thing, shouldn't you then also have issues with BB's water vaporizing deus ex machina?

 

[JAWS]

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I think you took me out of context.

Having said that.. WTF... I love discussing movies. Ones I love and ones I hate and ones I feel so so on. I think I have been respectful and have explained my opinions with thoughts that rank bit higher then "It sucked"

 

[IrishJedi]

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Yeah, at least you back up your opinions with some actual thoughts and analysis.

 

[Niltusk]

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I think you took me out of context.

Having said that.. WTF... I love discussing movies. Ones I love and ones I hate and ones I feel so so on. I think I have been respectful and have explained my opinions with thoughts that rank bit higher then "It sucked"

I was mostly joking...mostly.

You do seem to have a half empty cup tho.

 

[JAWS]

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But if you have a problem with the terraforming thing, shouldn't you then also have issues with BB's water vaporizing deus ex machina?

I HATE that part of Batman Begins..

So Yes. But for different reasons.. I thought that part of the film was sort of stupid for a film that tried so hard to be reality based.

But I can accept it a bit more then Mos because it was on a smaller scale.

MoS could have been on just as large a scale without the terraforming by trying to save Metropolis. We also would have been saved from watching him fight the CGI Octopus machine - No offence to those who liked that. I just did not care as it was one step closer to just watching just Special Effects and having no real human element.

 

[JAWS]

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I was mostly joking...mostly.

You do seem to have a half empty cup tho.

Ok that's cool. I was not sure... I have been trying hard not to be too hard on the film.

I know what you mean about the half empty cup.. I feel like that this year.

Last year was very different.

I loved Avengers, Dark Knight Rises, Skyfall, The Hobbit, and Django Unchained,

And I liked Prometheus and Underworld: Awakening

I did not post much in the movie section though... I did in the Dark Knight Rises thread though as I did agree with some of the problems but still enjoyed the film a lot.

This year has been full of Meh films for me
Meh of Steel, Iron Meh 3, Star Trek Into Meh, Oz: The great and Meh
and Oblvimeh

Hopefully the second half of the year treats me better.

I did see Silver Linings Playbook on Blu ray this year and Loved it!!

 

[DarthDiggler]

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That's a real interesting point. However when I go to watch a movie I can leave 9-11 and all other realities at the cinema door. I don't want my movies going PC on me as well. Our day to day lives are being turned upside down because of political correctness, the last thing I want is a PC MoS film

I thought about this while I was watching the film and I think the fact that many of those buildings had to have had people in or near them made the scenes that much more powerful.

The sheer scale of destruction was in a word--overwhelming.

That's how a person should feel during scenes like that. In fact, I actually thought that Perry & co were going to buy it at one point.

 

[JAWS]

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Yeah, at least you back up your opinions with some actual thoughts and analysis.

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[hydrobud]

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On a side note, the theatre was packed with people that would give "WalMart People" a run for their money. I've never went on a Sunday before or maybe it was just a lucky cocktail of freak, but my god it looked like a parade of "gif ready meme" people.

The fat **** two seats down from me literally kept falling asleep about every 20 minutes, he would hunch over and snore. My wife looked over one time and asked if he were dead and I replied,"We can't get that lucky"

No more Sunday movie trips for me.

maybe he was in a twizzler induced diabetic comma

 

[Niltusk]

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maybe he was in a twizzler induced diabetic comma

I almost felt bad for him, he missed alot of the movie.

 

[JAWS]

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I thought about this while I was watching the film and I think the fact that many of those buildings had to have had people in or near them made the scenes that much more powerful.

The sheer scale of destruction was in a word--overwhelming.

That's how a person should feel during scenes like that. In fact, I actually thought that Perry & co were going to buy it at one point.

It did not effect me with horror... But just left me cold.

I really hope I enjoy this film.. Reading many of your comments has made me want to see it again in theaters. I was going to wait until Blu ray but I think I will give it another try in theaters first.

However I really think the lack of a musical theme, no goose bump educing "Wow" moments for me will still effect my enjoyment.

 

[DiFabio]

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Back in '05, I actually had a bit of a problem with the non-linear flashback scenes with Batman Begins. I thought that was a poor choice and way to showcase his origin. The only time I really dug it was during the training sequence, but the flashback is minimal there anyway. Once it came out on DVD though, I came around to the idea of it and enjoyed it more than I did initially.


Sounds to me like Man of Steel does pretty much the same thing, people shouldn't be surprised. I sort of assumed that's what they'd do from the trailers and tv spots, especially Clark submerged in water vs. young Clark saving the bus.


I prefer the linear approach of just diving in and approaching it from beginning to end. That's why, to me, Superman: The Movie has the best comic book superhero origin. You can't really ask for much more than the opening with Krypton, imprisoning Zod, the council, Jor-El and Lara sending Kal-El, the space travel with the Jor-El voice over, crashing in Kansas, Ma and Pa Kent, teenage Clark, all the way to Metropolis. It's really well done. The first Iron Man, the first Spider-Man and Captain America are worth mentioning too. I thought they handled their beginnings really well.


As much as I love Batman Begins, I still think Batman's origin could be done better on the big screen without monastery ninjas and microwave emitters. I'm surprised none of the Batman movies so far has delved deeply into the psychology of Batman with Leslie Tompkins and/or Dr. Hugo Strange stuff or something.


Superman? Between the original and Man of Steel, that's got to be plenty there for every/anyone.

 

[Niltusk]

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I was wow'd most of the film.

Maybe I'm an easy mark, but I almost walked out of the Routh movie.

I loved all the tributes (or was Zod's troops riding in Clone Gunships from AoTC just acciental?)

From beginning to end I was enthralled with the scenery, the acting, I even liked the overall tone. One review said that the flashbacks were overly "sepia'd" or something to that effect, but I loved the look and thought it portrayed flashbacks well.

There was only one scene from the whole movie that I thought was ludicrous and should have been chucked, but luckily it didn't detract from the movie as a while except while it was happening I literally looked at my wife and said, :yeah, this is happening"