Man of Steel (SPOILERS)

[jye4ever]

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The military/government also caused much of the damage themselves, especially in Smallville.

Well, that wasn't done on purpose, just collateral damage that comes with fighting super powerful aliens, byproduct of war and self defense.

What the government did in Avengers was bat **** desperate and crazy, a deliberate nuke to freaking Manhattan.

Much worse than anything the government did in MOS.

But now I wonder how far out was the decision to start releasing nukes in MOS was.

I do like that the human military was able to destroy Faora's helmet with that one well placed rocket.

 

[Nightwing]

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I think your overlooking something though bud. Saving a building is all well and good,that may save a few thousand lives. Defeating Zod was saving mankind?

How could the building be saved if it was falling over already? Wouldn't it just fall over superman like the top part of the oil rig did? Sure he can catch a section of it, bit everything else would still head towards the ground. The only way I see it really being saved is if green lantern created a box around the building, holding it until people could be rescued by the flash or whoever.

 

[JAWS]

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I think your overlooking something though bud. Saving a building is all well and good,that may save a few thousand lives. Defeating Zod was saving mankind?

So was stopping Loki..

I just would have liked to see some of that. He did not seem to have any interest at all at the destruction that was happening around him.

Not the case in the Donner films (which are by no means perfect)

 

[JAWS]

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How could the building be saved if it was falling over already? Wouldn't it just fall over superman like the top part of the oil rig did? Sure he can catch a section of it, bit everything else would still head towards the ground. The only way I see it really being saved is if green lantern created a box around the building, holding it until people could be rescued by the flash or whoever.

Saving a building from collapse does not mean the building has to be collapsing.

 

[jye4ever]

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I think your overlooking something though bud. Saving a building is all well and good,that may save a few thousand lives. Defeating Zod was saving mankind?

Superman quickly saved 4.5 Billion by not wasting time saving 1 million.

Why is that so hard to understand.

Ok fine, he did waste 3 minutes to save Lois twice.

If it will make anyone happier I hope they add a deleted scene of him saving a cat from a tree.

 

[spindrift]

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LOVED it- favorite movie this year.
I found plenty of good humor in it- strong story and exceptional acting. Very violent, finally a Superman who fights to the bitter end in a film.

 

[Niltusk]

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On a side note, the theatre was packed with people that would give "WalMart People" a run for their money. I've never went on a Sunday before or maybe it was just a lucky cocktail of freak, but my god it looked like a parade of "gif ready meme" people.

The fat **** two seats down from me literally kept falling asleep about every 20 minutes, he would hunch over and snore. My wife looked over one time and asked if he were dead and I replied,"We can't get that lucky"

No more Sunday movie trips for me.

 

[IrishJedi]

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I do think filmmakers should probably more cognizant of the emotional impact that destroying skyscrapers has on people in the shadow of 9-11.

I mean, we don't know if people were even in those buildings. It's easy to assume they were full of people, but it was never explicitly established in the movie. In fact the only time you see people inside a building during the climax, it's the Daily Planet... and they are evacuating. But then tons of buildings and vehicles get damaged, and people are turned off because that aspect is never resolved (though it very well could be in the sequel(s)).

People have been asking for a live action equivalent of the Bruce Timm animated shows/movies for years, and that's exactly what the 3rd Act of this film is. Seriously, just watch "Superman Doomsday" now... it's uncanny.

But again, 9-11 changed more than just freedoms and world security. It also changed collective unconcisousness. And I do think people now have a complex about watching huge destruction of buildings in movies, even though you'd think stuff like TRANSFORMERS would have desensitized that by now. This is a valid concern, and I do think filmmakers should be more aware of it.

 

[meth head]

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Superman quickly saved 4.5 Billion by not wasting time saving 1 million.

Why is that so hard to understand.

Ok fine, he did waste 3 minutes to save Lois twice.

If it will make anyone happier I hope they add a deleted scene of him saving a cat from a tree.

 

[meth head]

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I do think filmmakers should probably more cognizant of the emotional impact that destroying skyscrapers has on people in the shadow of 9-11.

I mean, we don't know if people were even in those buildings. It's easy to assume they were full of people, but it was never explicitly established in the movie. In fact the only time you see people inside a building during the climax, it's the Daily Planet... and they are evacuating. But then tons of buildings and vehicles get damaged, and people are turned off because that aspect is never resolved (though it very well could be in the sequel(s)).

People have been asking for a live action equivalent of the Bruce Timm animated shows/movies for years, and that's exactly what the 3rd Act of this film is. Seriously, just watch "Superman Doomsday" now... it's uncanny.

But again, 9-11 changed more than just freedoms and world security. It also changed collective unconcisousness. And I do think people now have a complex about watching huge destruction of buildings in movies, even though you'd think stuff like TRANSFORMERS would have desensitized that by now. This is a valid concern, and I do think filmmakers should be more aware of it.

That's a real interesting point. However when I go to watch a movie I can leave 9-11 and all other realities at the cinema door. I don't want my movies going PC on me as well. Our day to day lives are being turned upside down because of political correctness, the last thing I want is a PC MoS film

 

[The Josh]

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I do think filmmakers should probably more cognizant of the emotional impact that destroying skyscrapers has on people in the shadow of 9-11.

I mean, we don't know if people were even in those buildings. It's easy to assume they were full of people, but it was never explicitly established in the movie. In fact the only time you see people inside a building during the climax, it's the Daily Planet... and they are evacuating. But then tons of buildings and vehicles get damaged, and people are turned off because that aspect is never resolved (though it very well could be in the sequel(s)).

People have been asking for a live action equivalent of the Bruce Timm animated shows/movies for years, and that's exactly what the 3rd Act of this film is. Seriously, just watch "Superman Doomsday" now... it's uncanny.

But again, 9-11 changed more than just freedoms and world security. It also changed collective unconcisousness. And I do think people now have a complex about watching huge destruction of buildings in movies, even though you'd think stuff like TRANSFORMERS would have desensitized that by now. This is a valid concern, and I do think filmmakers should be more aware of it.

I suppose it did. I didn't even think about it personally. Even stuff like the Tornado didn't bother me and there has been a lot of that going on here recently. I thought all of it was done really well and done with class. Kudos to Zack for doing these scenes so well.

 

[JAWS]

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I do think filmmakers should probably more cognizant of the emotional impact that destroying skyscrapers has on people in the shadow of 9-11.

I mean, we don't know if people were even in those buildings. It's easy to assume they were full of people, but it was never explicitly established in the movie. In fact the only time you see people inside a building during the climax, it's the Daily Planet... and they are evacuating. But then tons of buildings and vehicles get damaged, and people are turned off because that aspect is never resolved (though it very well could be in the sequel(s)).

People have been asking for a live action equivalent of the Bruce Timm animated shows/movies for years, and that's exactly what the 3rd Act of this film is. Seriously, just watch "Superman Doomsday" now... it's uncanny.

But again, 9-11 changed more than just freedoms and world security. It also changed collective unconcisousness. And I do think people now have a complex about watching huge destruction of buildings in movies, even though you'd think stuff like TRANSFORMERS would have desensitized that by now. This is a valid concern, and I do think filmmakers should be more aware of it.

I think this is an excellent point and probably is why it effected me. I think I am able to ignore it in the transformer films because they are what they are. Even though cities are destroyed they are done so in an almost cartoonish fashion. But the thought had crossed my mind watching those films.. I guess I just expect more, when it comes to human life, out of Superman then I do alien robots

 

[JAWS]

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That's a real interesting point. However when I go to watch a movie I can leave 9-11 and all other realities at the cinema door. I don't want my movies going PC on me as well. Our day to day lives are being turned upside down because of political correctness, the last thing I want is a PC MoS film

I agree 100% However I don't expect that kind of coldness out of a Superman film... Superman is about hope.. I just did not get that feeling. I hope it achieves that in the next film..

I mean his Father even says... "you can save them all" then Superman strikes the very obvious "Jesus Christ Pose"..

I guess the people of Metropolis just did not count..

I blame the script more then anything.. It just tried to do to much.. The terraforming should have not been in the script at all IMO.

 

[The Josh]

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I took a lot of hope from the movie and realize Superman can't save them all. It was either the world or a few people in a building.

 

[IrishJedi]

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I blame the script more then anything.. It just tried to do to much.. The terraforming should have not been in the script at all IMO.

When you think about the script, it was put together very similarly to BATMAN BEGINS, from the flashback origin segments to the 3rd Act deus ex machina. This is Goyer's obvious shtick by now. I really hope Zack and others have more story input from the beginning from now on.

 

[Kuzeh]

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Besides, who knows if all those buildings are already empty...
they implied people were leaving... and you could see cops all over the place hauling people, so I'm pretty sure after a couple of shots from the Terraforming ray people in most buildings would be compelled to leave...

 

[JAWS]

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Superman quickly saved 4.5 Billion by not wasting time saving 1 million.

Why is that so hard to understand.

Ok fine, he did waste 3 minutes to save Lois twice.

If it will make anyone happier I hope they add a deleted scene of him saving a cat from a tree.

YES!!! SAVE THE DAMN PETS!!!!!!!

Seriously I think it's the fault of the script.. There should have been no terraforming. Let Superman Save an entire City before he has to save an entire planet. Would have given the film some time to let us see Superman caring about "the people"

But this is a personal preference. It is obvious that I am in the minority.. The only thing that I will say that gives my argument some merit is that those who have not seemed to enjoy the film overall have the same issue. Lack of character and story. But that does not mean that I am right. But there was something missing for us..

Most of you did not have that issue and I am OK with that.. I have to be .. I just hope the next film gives us more Story and Character along with the spectacle.

 

[Niltusk]

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Besides, who knows if all those buildings are already empty...
they implied people were leaving... and you could see cops all over the place hauling people, so I'm pretty sure after a couple of shots from the Terraforming ray people in most buildings would be compelled to leave...

Or get their dumb asses crushed.

 

[DarkMagic]

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I do think filmmakers should probably more cognizant of the emotional impact that destroying skyscrapers has on people in the shadow of 9-11.

I mean, we don't know if people were even in those buildings. It's easy to assume they were full of people, but it was never explicitly established in the movie. In fact the only time you see people inside a building during the climax, it's the Daily Planet... and they are evacuating. But then tons of buildings and vehicles get damaged, and people are turned off because that aspect is never resolved (though it very well could be in the sequel(s)).

People have been asking for a live action equivalent of the Bruce Timm animated shows/movies for years, and that's exactly what the 3rd Act of this film is. Seriously, just watch "Superman Doomsday" now... it's uncanny.

But again, 9-11 changed more than just freedoms and world security. It also changed collective unconcisousness. And I do think people now have a complex about watching huge destruction of buildings in movies, even though you'd think stuff like TRANSFORMERS would have desensitized that by now. This is a valid concern, and I do think filmmakers should be more aware of it.

I think they are aware of it, but they just aren't going to let it tie their hands or in any way restrain them from telling a story that rings true and "plausible" (a relative term of course) within the confines of the fictional universe they are bringing to the screen. Given the conditions of the characters...several ruthless, ultra-powered, blazing fast invulnerable alien warriors, who also possess very advanced weaponry, battling ONE good alien and a human military with modern day "real world" weaponry...the colossal destruction of buildings and whole sections of cities meshes to what would you'd expect to happen if such a battle took place.

Filmmakers first priority should be to serve the story they are trying to tell, and not box themselves in because they are trying to protect their audiences from anything that resembles real-life traumatic incidents. There was an article a week ago that the tornado scene could be interpreted as being insensitive to the people who very recently experienced the real death and destruction of tornadoes. Could you imagine the alternative? Superman being clearly shown zooming around preventing every building from toppling, and containing every explosion and fire caused by the battle with the other Kryptonians--in short, saving everyone and everything...within the confines of the movie, it would not make sense, and from the perspective of the audience, it would be pretty boring to know that nothing is ever in any real danger, since Superman is around.

 

[Niltusk]

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