Daredevil right back in Marvel Studios hands

[CelticPredator]

They would give those to Touchstone. And they can handle it.

 

[The Josh]

I enjoyed GR 1 but I believe Marvel can do better. Daredevil was alright but again I know Marvel can do better. The Blade movies were really pretty darn good but I am intersted to see where Marvel takes things. The Punisher movies have been eh for the most part so again I know Marvel can do better. Getting all of these back is going to be fun.

 

[Uncanny Web-Slinger]

Dare Devil, Punisher, Ghost Rider, these are mainly vigilantes who don't often do teams so this should really be a differant set of movies from what Marvels already doing. Darker and more adult themed as others have said. Like the equivilant to the MAX comics.

Doesn't even have to be as dark as MAX. Just off the grid vigilantes working the streets and not for SHIELD.

 

[CelticPredator]

Except every character they're putting into the phases actually DO exist with each other in the comic books. So.

Daredevil isn't going to join The Avengers. And neither is Frank Castle.

 

[Deckard]

Well if I'm not mistaken Frank did become Captain America but they have a long way to go establishing original characters before something like that occurs.

Do DareDevil and Punisher at the same time, release them 2-3 months apart then do a DareDevil VS Punisher movie imo. Just have mentions of the other movies like Frank drives by Stark Tower and mentions how it's still a mess and aliens didn't stop humans from turning on each other for drugs, money etc.

 

[Uncanny Web-Slinger]

Except every character they're putting into the phases actually DO exist with each other in the comic books. So.

Daredevil isn't going to join The Avengers. And neither is Frank Castle.

They've made SHIELD the centre of the ACU, that works somewhat for Avengers but would be awfully bad connecting Daredevil, Iron Fist, Nova or X-Men to.

GotG will be the movie that defines if Marvel will become a universe of characters connected but not force to interact with each other.

If the Guardians has no connection to Earth heroes outside of Starlord (like the 2008 comic it's based on) then they'll prove to be able to weave a universe of characters thats for the benefit of those characters and their stories.
If they do have Iron Man or SHIELD involved then it'll prove they can't seperate characters based on their individual needs and just lump everyone into one type

 

[lerath666]

Yep, will pobably be a long time from now



Err the Spider-Man movies were made Before Nolan's Batman. He is perfectly placed with Sony, no Booberella Widow or SHIELD people dragging down his movies .



Actually more important, thats why they got movies first

REally? The Amazing Spider-batman reboot was made before the Nolan Batman Movies The Dark Knight and Batman Begins? then why did they wait so long to release it?

Make no mistake, I LOVED Spider-man, and Spider-man 2. 3 was Meh, but that was mostly sabotage on the part of the director that ruined it .

I was Talking SPECIFCLY about the MOST RECENT Spider-man movie being made in a way that makes it FEEL Like the batman films,

IE Grim and Gritty, overly grounded in reality but not really, and a few other things.

 

[lerath666]

Yes because when I think "The Punisher" I think Disney.

https://youtu.be/HtJwP6dNeno


Why not just drop Frank into the Incredibles 2.

You'd ALLMOST have a point there... Except...

Disney made Kill Bill 1 and 2, End of Days, Dirty Pretty Things, Rounders, and the newer Halloween movies

so your arguement is kinda invalid.

 

[Deckard]

You'd ALLMOST have a point there... Except...

Disney made Kill Bill 1 and 2, End of Days, Dirty Pretty Things, Rounders, and the newer Halloween movies

so your arguement is kinda invalid.

Theres a giant differance in "making" and "distributing". You may wanna recheck those flicks you mention because I'm quite certain they made/financed none of those.

 

[CelticPredator]

Disney doesn't even make Marvel movies either. They just distribute them.

 

[Deckard]

But Disney straight up owns Marvel Studios now, Marvel's money is Disney's and vice versa, they are one. Disney don't own A Band Apart etc.

And wasn't IM4 into production already when Disney bought Marvel? I honestly can't remember when it all went down.

 

[lerath666]

Ditto. If Spidey, Xmen and FF wet back to Marvel it would be a disaster. He best we could hope for is for studios to work together.

I'd be ok with this, and it would be nice, but as the heads of those companies will refuse to work together becuase of greed, it'll never happen.

Which, to me, means marvel should just take back their loaned toys from the kids, since they refuse to play nice.

They don't have to have them cross over. They could just give them stand alone films.

Considering that Marvel has so much to deal with now, I suspect that some kind of multi-character film is much more likely than, say, a stand alone Punisher or Ghost Rider.

^ Precisely why some are better off elsewhere, we get more detailed movies about the heroes and more importantly their supporting characters and villians, which can't be featured in a team-up movie.

Goes against their 100% history of crossing everything over.

Let's say they make a Daredevil movie, should he be involved with Thor & SHIELD? Does it make sense for that individual character?

There are ways they can do little nods and Cameo's. When Marvel pictures makes a film with any of them, it WILL be in the same shared universe. we don't need anything major, just a simple nod. I GET that you have some weird HATE going for Shield. But here is the thing, they DON'T HAVE to use shield outside the Avengers. the REason they went WITH shield so far, is that in the Ultimates Universe ( from which the movieverse draws from pretty heavily) the Avengers are Called the " Ultimates" and are Created by, and a Team of S.H.E.I.L.D.
That's why we see alot of them in those movies, and makes sense. Sheild brought them together, and helped make them a team.

Doesn't even have to be as dark as MAX. Just off the grid vigilantes working the streets and not for SHIELD.

I like that idea. I Like it ALOT. and it would work, as Punisher and Daredevil play in smaller arenas than the Avengers do. IF they decided, for example, to involve shield, as long as it makes sense, I'd be ok with it.

Have sheild trying to take down the punisher. so the whole film you've got him Evading sheild, and actualy ABLE to get away from them? That could make a cool story point, but it's not nessacary.

A MUCH BETTER story, if you wanted to involve Sheild in the Punisher story, would be to make Castle into a Former Sheild agent, as opposed to just a Soldier. No Nick Fury, nothing else. Except possibly a part where he toses his badge at fury, cusses him out and storms off when Fury Refuses to Let frank use sheild resources to go after his family's killer. "you're too close, you're letting it become personal, etc etc etc" No more sheild involvement from that point on.

Sheild training would explain his skills, allow him to evade the athorities coming after him, and give him acess to weapon caches he could raid for gear.


Tying Daredevil to the Rest of the Marvel Univers could be as simple as a Cameo Akin to Wolverine in First Class. Matt Murdok Getting Coffie one morning, and sitting next to, possibly having a conversation with Natalie Portman As Jane Foster.



Gaurdians fo the Galaxy, I kinda sowrt Expect to see a second "Nick Fury Esque" character make her apperence at some point.

Abigale Brand, of the Sentient World Observation and Response Department, or SWORD. Which is essentialy Like Sheild, but Deals Exclusively with non-terestrial threats.

It's worth noting that BOTH Agent Brand, and SWORD are creations Of Joss Whedon, from his run on Astonishing X-men.

 

[lerath666]

Theres a giant differance in "making" and "distributing". You may wanna recheck those flicks you mention because I'm quite certain they made/financed none of those.

If you Want to get specific, they owned the Studios that made them.

Much the same way that Disney Owns marvel now.

 

[CelticPredator]

You're right. Disney had no say in those Miramax films. Disney bought Miramax, but the only company they do actually own is Touchstone Pictures. Where they released a handful of R-rated pictures.

So it's not like they could not release it. (And they don't own Miramax any more)

 

[lerath666]

But Disney straight up owns Marvel Studios now, Marvel's money is Disney's and vice versa, they are one. Disney don't own A Band Apart etc.

And wasn't IM4 into production already when Disney bought Marvel? I honestly can't remember when it all went down.

It Was Iron Man 2 that was in production actualy.

ALSO ALSO, the disney Marvel Deal had appearently Already been in the works since shortly after the release of the incredables. which is why we have yet to get an incredables 2. there has been talk of folding the incredables into the MArvel universe.

 

[Deckard]

If you Want to get specific, they owned the Studios that made them.

Much the same way that Disney Owns marvel now.

I'm almost completely certain they don't own any of those companies from that list of movies and I know for a fact they don't own Tarantino's production company.

edit : confirmed by a quick google search they don't own any of those studios except Marvel, you're mistaken

 

[lerath666]

You're right. Disney had no say in those Miramax films. Disney bought Miramax, but the only company they do actually own is Touchstone Pictures. Where they released a handful of R-rated pictures.

So it's not like they could not release it. (And they don't own Miramax any more)

Granted, but at the time they did.

Regardless, My point is that they COULD be involved with making R rated Marvel movies, becuase they HAVE been in the past.

People tend to forget that At the end of the day, Disney is a Company. And companies are concerned with making money first, and public image second.
So if they Think it will make money, they will make it happen one way, or another.

 

[Deckard]

Also the they've done it in the past thing isn't a great arguement, Studios change hands and power and the people running Disney will likely move away from R rated films before back twoards them imo, especially given everything going on in the world right now. They own Marvel now, they don't need to take risks.

 

[lerath666]

I'm almost completely certain they don't own any of those companies from that list of movies and I know for a fact they don't own Tarantino's production company.

edit : confirmed by a quick google search they don't own any of those studios except Marvel, you're mistaken

Kill Bill is a two-part 2003–2004 action/thriller film written and directed by Quentin Tarantino.

Distributed by Miramax. without said distribution, picture wouldn't have happened. It kinda works that way

Miramax Films is an American entertainment company known for distributing independent and foreign films. Founded in 1979 by Bob and Harvey Weinstein and headquartered in New York City and Cambridge, Massachusetts, Miramax was a leading independent film motion picture distribution and production company before it was acquired by The Walt Disney Company in 1993. The Weinsteins operated Miramax with more creative and financial independence than any other division of Disney, until 2005 when they decided to leave the company and founded The Weinstein Company. Miramax was sold by Disney to Filmyard Holdings, a joint venture of Colony Capital, Tutor-Saliba Corporation, and Qatar Investment Authority in 2010, ending Disney's 17-year involvement with the studio.


Yes, my original post is EXTREMELY simplified. But my point is, Disney was involved with those films, though companies they owened at the time. EXACTLY how they are involved with the Marvel Movies through compaines they currently own.


I'm saying they've done it in the past, and could do it again in the future.

I am Saying they LIKELY WILL, IF they think there is money to be made by doing so.

NOW, That said, i'd say that a PG-13 rating is FAR MORE LIKELY than an R rating, as a PG-13 rating, on paper, will make more money, as it has a wider auidence that can ( in theory) go buy tickets for it.

 

[CelticPredator]

They aren't afraid to go violent. Pirates was their first PG-13 film.

And you never see the Disney logo on a Marvel film anyway. Paramount distributes most of them. It's not that big of a risk for Disney.