TREVOR GROVE is the Schwarzenegger Master

[Darkavatar]

The thing for me is I could say " they just look like statues , not like real people ". Here's two examples of figures I can think of that look incredibly realistic despite whatever body they may be on or end up on.

Bobby C's Joker.

ShortRound's Indy.

It may be because I don't see many statues around of humans , especially in this hobby that impress me anymore.

I honestly think I've seen more figures with a higher sense of realism than I have statues ( unless we're talking life size museum quality pieces ). This may be because as you say there isn't enough companies giving high enough attention and detail to their work with statues. At least not comparable to hot toys or rainman quality for example.

I think this is one of the reasons the popular figure companies are starting to produce 1/4 scale figures , since there is a gap in the market for popular character to this quality standard.

I don't know I like the materials statues are made out of I like how they are 1/4 scale. Your Stansfield sculpt is made of resin, not some cheap PVC or plastic head that hot toys makes. Resin makes the sculpt look more real, hot toys just look like pretty plastic toys to me with good paint jobs nonetheless.

Have you seen the statues of the company cinemaquette? All those statues look real but I hate the likeness on most of them. I wanted their Reeve superman but hot toys Reeve superman has a better likeness so I had to get that, even though it is a doll.

This whole thing is blown out of proportion, the real message is not whether 1/6 figures are better than PFs or statues but that I wish hot toys would make PFs and not just dolls.

 

[MarfMaster]

Since this thread has gone completely OT, I thought I would throw in pics of some of my my dolls that I feel break the "toy" barrier as well. I have to disagree that statues have any edge over 1/6 figures in the realism department. As is the case with statues, it all depends on how well the subject matter is brought to life by the various artists involved. Sculpt, paint, tailoring...it's all about the perfect storm.

For the record I also collect Premium Formats, and they get a fraction of the attention that my 1/6 stuff gets.

 

[Darkavatar]

Since this thread has gone completely OT, I thought I would throw in pics of some of my my dolls that I feel break the "toy" barrier as well. I have to disagree that statues have any edge over 1/6 figures in the realism department. As is the case with statues, it all depends on how well the subject matter is brought to life by the various artists involved. Sculpt, paint, tailoring...it's all about the perfect storm.

For the record I also collect Premium Formats, and they get a fraction of the attention that my 1/6 stuff gets.

I totally agree with everything you said and I can see why your 1/6th figures get more attention, the headsculpts are made of a high grade material and the paint job is good.


This whole thing is getting misinterpreted, I know most PFs suck but I wish they didnt and I know 1/6 th handmade figures look better by talented artist but they are still dolls, I just prefer statues/PF. Nevertheless, your figures are a work of art, I wish more PFs could achieve that.

I really meant no offense, I honestly thought real adult collectibles are statues but I guess both 1/6th handmade figures are just as good if not better than PFs. Thus, they are as much as adult collectible as a statue is.

Hot toys use to make Statues and dioramas now its all dolls, I just wish there was more variety.

 

[karamazov80]

I know most PFs suck but I wish they didnt and I know 1/6 th handmade figures look better by talented artist

Actually, you don't have to make the comparison with those customs. Just compare HT to Sideshow, 1/6 to 1/4, or 1/6 to 1/6, or 1/6 to whatever, and Hot Toys wins in the paint department every time, and usually in terms of outfit and accessories as well. Sideshow has great sculpts sometimes (every time they use Grove or Bergholtz), but cheaps out on the paint apps, clothing/accessories, and quality control. So no matter how much you would like all their statues to be like the old school Hulk PF, we just aren't getting it anymore. HT 1/6 figures are just plain better from a quality perspective, despite their own QC issues we've seen with melting rubber, broken feet and whatnot.

As such, in my humble opinion, the best collectible company making products for adults and that treats collectors like adults by giving us the highest quality product is usually HT.

 

[Darkavatar]

Actually, you don't have to make the comparison with those customs. Just compare HT to Sideshow, 1/6 to 1/4, or 1/6 to 1/6, or 1/6 to whatever, and Hot Toys wins in the paint department every time, and usually in terms of outfit and accessories as well. Sideshow has great sculpts sometimes (every time they use Grove or Bergholtz), but cheaps out on the paint apps, clothing/accessories, and quality control. So no matter how much you would like all their statues to be like the old school Hulk PF, we just aren't getting it anymore. HT 1/6 figures are just plain better from a quality perspective, despite their own QC issues we've seen with melting rubber, broken feet and whatnot.

As such, in my humble opinion, the best collectible company making products for adults and that treats collectors like adults by giving us the highest quality product is usually HT.

Yes I agree, I just wish hot toys made statues/PFs to. I went a bit to far saying they are not adult collectibles, I retract that statement. In terms of paint application nothing beats hot toys as far as mass production items go.

 

[uscmhicks]

I went a bit to far saying they are not adult collectibles, I retract that statement.

Damn right !.

 

[karamazov80]

Yes I agree, I just wish hot toys made statues/PFs to. I went a bit to far saying they are not adult collectibles, I retract that statement. In terms of paint application nothing beats hot toys as far as mass production items go.

Well, HT is doing 1/4 scale figures. And Enterbay is doing their own versions of PFs. So, that might be a bit of a compromise.

 

[Darkavatar]

Well, HT is doing 1/4 scale figures. And Enterbay is doing their own versions of PFs. So, that might be a bit of a compromise.

I hope so.

 

[Darkavatar]

Sideshow has great sculpts sometimes (every time they use Grove or Bergholtz), but cheaps out on the paint apps, clothing/accessories, and quality control. So no matter how much you would like all their statues to be like the old school Hulk PF, we just aren't getting it anymore.

Can I ask you why are we not getting good paint jobs on PFs anymore from sideshow?

 

[karamazov80]

Can I ask you why are we not getting good paint jobs on PFs anymore from sideshow?

I can only speculate, but I would assume cost. It's cheaper to provide less oversight at factories, and to pay more people less money to work longer hours with shoddier/cheaper materials. Sideshow's been moving backwards in a lot of ways since a few years back, when the Hulk PF was a crowning achievement. Now, you get light, hollow statues with paint slop and chemical interactions between materials that they didn't invest the appropriate resources into investigating before beginning production. And this carries over into decisions on TBD edition sizes (which I actually don't have an issue with, but is a reflection of an attempt to maximize costs at the expense of doing away with something certain collectors value in set edition sizes), and movements toward taking less responsibility when things go bad from a QC angle in an attempt to minimize costs associated with fessing up (e.g., the recent issue with the Terminator PF). I collect Sideshow 1/6 scale Joes, but they're about 5 years behind HT in terms of quality despite nearly costing the same amount. That's purely a reflection of an unwillingness to invest the costs needed for a better quality product in order to obtain the profits they see as appropriate.

 

[Darkavatar]

I can only speculate, but I would assume cost. It's cheaper to provide less oversight at factories, and to pay more people less money to work longer hours with shoddier/cheaper materials. Sideshow's been moving backwards in a lot of ways since a few years back, when the Hulk PF was a crowning achievement. Now, you get light, hollow statues with paint slop and chemical interactions between materials that they didn't invest the appropriate resources into investigating before beginning production. And this carries over into decisions on TBD edition sizes (which I actually don't have an issue with, but is a reflection of an attempt to maximize costs at the expense of doing away with something certain collectors value in set edition sizes), and movements toward taking less responsibility when things go bad from a QC angle in an attempt to minimize costs associated with fessing up (e.g., the recent issue with the Terminator PF). I collect Sideshow 1/6 scale Joes, but they're about 5 years behind HT in terms of quality despite nearly costing the same amount. That's purely a reflection of an unwillingness to invest the costs needed for a better quality product in order to obtain the profits they see as appropriate.

Ok well that makes sense, thanks for explaining.

 

[RIDDICK]

I dont really consider 1/6th figures adult collectibles because they have movable parts like toys.

I don't really consider PF and statues as "adult collectibles" because most of 'em are painted like crap and looks like giant static toys for kids.

Trevor needs to jump ship for a few years now. What Sideshow does to his work is a crime.

Delete this. Quickly!

 

[EVILFACE]

Agree. This is the best Arnold sculpt by anyone.

 

[Darkavatar]

You are missing the point, they are static because they are made out of high quality resin, not plastic or PVC which is the material aimed at kids. Resin can not be articulated that is why it is static. IF PFs were painted at the level of hot toys I doubt you would even comment.

You obviously have not been reading this thread very well. I already commented and said that Dexter pic and the other works that MarfMaster had posted were a work of art because the head sculpts were cast out of resin, which makes the sculpt look more real.

When I meant 1/6 figures are not adult collectibles I meant the pretty plastic dolls that hot toys puts out. Not the work by talented artist like rainman or Serang.



Anyway i have since retracted my statement and agree 1/6 figures by hot toys are the best mass produced collectibles overall for adults currently due the balance of their great head sculpts and pretty paint jobs.

I don't really consider PF and statues as "adult collectibles" because most of 'em are painted like crap and looks like giant static toys for kids.

























Delete this. Quickly!

 

[Darkavatar]

Agree. This is the best Arnold sculpt by anyone.

I am sorry hottoysfan boys, even with this lame or passable paint job, this is better than anything hot toys has ever produced.

 

[Matt S]

Has anyone noticed that Trevor and Batman are never in the room at the same time? Hmm.......

 

[RIDDICK]

You are missing the point, they are static because they are made out of high quality resin, not plastic or PVC which is the material aimed at kids.

Your point is invalid since most of 'em made of polystone - the worst material.

IF PFs were painted at the level of hot toys I doubt you would even comment.

Hot Toys's figure looks like dat mostly bcuz they're made of the special plastic

When I meant 1/6 figures are not adult collectibles I meant the pretty plastic dolls that hot toys puts out. Not the work by talented artist like rainman or Serang.

Yet they're all dolls. So there's no difference between HT, Enterbay, Rainman and Serang since they're all talented artists which just puts out and sell some plastic dolls. They can create value (as well as collectors by voting with their wallets) but the meaning remains the same.

You obviously have not been reading this thread very well. I already commented and said that Dexter pic and the other works that MarfMaster had posted were a work of art because the head sculpts were cast out of resin, which makes the sculpt look more real.

 

[Darkavatar]

Polystone is a resin compound but more brittle. Why do you consider polystone the worst material when it is the material used to create sculptors outside the toy industry?

On the other hand, the the best material to create realism is silicone but it degrades in a matter of years, hence doesn't last long.

Cinemaquette make the most realistic products but the likeness for their human figures are way off. So with that being said, Hot toys are still the best collectibles for adults overall due to their pretty paint jobs and likeness.

Regardless, hot toys look like plastic toys and do not impress me at all. They do not like the realistic prototype images.


Yes you are right they are all dolls. The artist behind hot toys are talented artist but the products do not reflect their talent to the ability if their stuff was handmade. Unlike limited quantity Handmade figures like Rainman's and Serangs.

Your point is invalid since most of 'em made of polystone - the worst material.




Hot Toys's figure looks like dat mostly bcuz they're made of the special plastic




Yet they're all dolls. So there's no difference between HT, Enterbay, Rainman and Serang since they're all talented artists which just puts out and sell some plastic dolls. They can create value (as well as collectors by voting with their wallets) but the meaning remains the same.

 

[Darkavatar]

Will you stop with the pictures, you are the one that doesn't get it. What do you think would be more impressive to someone that appreciates art, a 12 inch plastic toy doll with some likeness and a pretty paint job or a 1/4 statue/PF that looks real?

I am not saying that PFs are better right now, I am saying I wish they were better because dolls suck IMO. However, that is just my opinion and I mean no offense to anyone that likes them.

Your point is invalid since most of 'em made of polystone - the worst material.


Hot Toys's figure looks like dat mostly bcuz they're made of the special plastic


Yet they're all dolls. So there's no difference between HT, Enterbay, Rainman and Serang since they're all talented artists which just puts out and sell some plastic dolls. They can create value (as well as collectors by voting with their wallets) but the meaning remains the same.

 

[Darkavatar]

I am sorry hottoysfan boys, even with this lame or passable paint job, this is better than anything hot toys has ever produced.

Why didn't someone correct me on this, after seeing what the real paint job sideshow produced for this product, this paint job destroys it.

I guess I did not think it was good because it did not look pretty like the ones painted by hot toys because hot toys use machines to paint their figures, hence the reason why they look all identical. Whereas, this one is hand painted.

If you have read this thread, then I sincerely apologize to you darkmummy your work paint work is brilliant!