Split DC into 2 (or 3) subforums?

[MAV]

Hell, this place needs a whole other board just for anything to do with the freaking Joker





What the DC section looks like on any given day:






THE OFFICIAL HOT TOYS JOKER THREAD!

THE HOT TOYS JOKER's HAIR THREAD

THE HOT TOYS JOKERS VEST THREAD!

CUSTOM JOKER SOCKS!

CUSTOM JOKER SUSPENDERS!

CUSTOM JOKER KIDNEYS!

JOKERS SHOES! ANY THOUGHTS?

JOKER TOY FOR PRESIDENT?

SEX WITH YOUR JOKER TOY! TIPS?

THE OFFICIAL OFFICIAL THREAD ABOUT THE OFFICIAL HOT TOYS OFFICIAL JOKER FIGURE!

COP JOKER PICS!

BANK ROBBER JOKER PICS!

JOKER MMS DX SERIES!

NURSE JOKER CUSTOMS!

POEMS ABOUT NURSE JOKER CUSTOMS!

 

[karamazov80]

To haytil's post, the problem with customs in other threads from my perspective--as I discussed in the DX Joker thread--is when the thread goes off the rails and starts becoming a custom figure thread and has little if nothing to do with the ostensible subject of the thread. I happened with DX Joker, and it happened with Mattel Superman.

Not that this means a new sub-forum is required, but if you're gonna talk about custom Jokers, then you should talk about them in a custom Joker thread. If you're gonna talk about mods to DX Joker, they can go in DX Joker thread. But if the only thing the figure has from the stock DX Joker is the socks or shoes or True Type body, then it really doesn't belong in the DX Joker thread, IMO. At that point, it isn't a DX Joker discussion anymore.

Because, even if it is an older stock figure and people aren't talking much about it anymore, the thread exists for that figure and when people go there looking for info. on that figure, they shouldn't have to wade through 5 or 10 pages of custom talk to get to it.

 

[MAV]

In all seriousness, I think there should be 2 sections. One for Customs & one for the Real Licensed Stuff.

 

[vodoun]

To haytil's post, the problem with customs in other threads from my perspective--as I discussed in the DX Joker thread--is when the thread goes off the rails and starts becoming a custom figure thread and has little if nothing to do with the ostensible subject of the thread. I happened with DX Joker, and it happened with Mattel Superman.

Customs was never the problem though. Some people that don't know how to conduct themselves or take a hint is. Otherwise all the problems from the past would never have existed and this thread would never have taken place as have the other threads about segregating the boards. So many other people can see it.

There was one time years ago this board was really a top notch place. Now it's about superiority and elitism. The same reason why sarcasm is so high as it is today in the discussions.

 

[Maglor]

Of the choices given I voted: "Yes, split into 3 - DC action figures, DC customs, DC-other collectibles" simply because I think we need a spot just for DC customs. However, I don't see a need for keeping action figures and other collectables separate.

I would just say, 2

1. Customs
2. Officially licensed products of all type

 

[Mr. EcKo]

I vote 3 sub-forums

1/6 Scale

Customs

All Other Collectibles

 

[karamazov80]

Customs was never the problem though. Some people that don't know how to conduct themselves or take a hint is. Otherwise all the problems from the past would never have existed and this thread would never have taken place as have the other threads about segregating the boards. So many other people can see it.

There was one time years ago this board was really a top notch place. Now it's about superiority and elitism. The same reason why sarcasm is so high as it is today in the discussions.

So correct me if I am wrong, but you are suggesting the board is just fine as it is and any attempts to make it easier to navigate are simply side-effects of "elite" board members complaining too loudly?

 

[vodoun]

So correct me if I am wrong, but you are suggesting the board is just fine as it is and any attempts to make it easier to navigate are simply side-effects of "elite" board members complaining too loudly?

No, I'm not suggesting it's fine as it is. It's far from it, however if some mods kept a hold on things over the years in the DC section things wouldn't have been at the state it is now. This was before you were appointed mod status.

To quote another member:

Now, it's not kept in check though.
it spreads like a cancer.

Only the decent members are complaining loudly because any Joker talk is in their face day in day out. It's just like celebrity stalkers. Only the Joker posse try to parade the board thinking they've formed an elite club.

I mean seriously, it doesn't even feel like the DC section. You can't deny it. It's disturbing to say the least.

 

[uscmhicks]

Leave it...

 

[haytil]

dc equivalent of art figures saves figure

Sorry, I still don't understand. What does that mean? Can you give some examples?

but if you're gonna talk about custom Jokers, then you should talk about them in a custom Joker thread. If you're gonna talk about mods to DX Joker, they can go in DX Joker thread. But if the only thing the figure has from the stock DX Joker is the socks or shoes or True Type body, then it really doesn't belong in the DX Joker thread, IMO.

Right, but the problem is, you're giving examples of extremes. Those are well-defined, but I think the line is a lot more blurry where they meet.

Obviously a stock figure belongs in a stock figure thread. And minimum modification (like repainting a stock figure head) could easily belong in a stock figure thread as well. Meanwhile, a totally custom figure (custom head, custom clothes) belongs in a custom figure forum.

But how much modification does it take for something to no longer belong in a stock figure thread? At what point does it become more of a custom?

Take Maglor's modified Takara Batman, for example. I'm talking about the one with the stuffing and custom cape and so forth. If he gets a custom head for it, does it still belong in the stock Takara Batman thread, or a custom thread? Or both? A good portion of it is still the stock figure that uses the original materials, but there is some heavy, fairly non-reversible modifications to it that make it look quite different.

I think it's hard to draw that line - and because of that difficulty, creating a sub-forum for customs isn't going to solve the problem any more than creating different threads (one for stock figures, one for customs) in the same forum has.

 

[Darth Snoopy]

What the DC section looks like on any given day:


THE OFFICIAL HOT TOYS JOKER THREAD!

THE HOT TOYS JOKER's HAIR THREAD

THE HOT TOYS JOKERS VEST THREAD!

CUSTOM JOKER SOCKS!

CUSTOM JOKER SUSPENDERS!

CUSTOM JOKER KIDNEYS!

JOKERS SHOES! ANY THOUGHTS?

JOKER TOY FOR PRESIDENT?

SEX WITH YOUR JOKER TOY! TIPS?

THE OFFICIAL OFFICIAL THREAD ABOUT THE OFFICIAL HOT TOYS OFFICIAL JOKER FIGURE!

COP JOKER PICS!

BANK ROBBER JOKER PICS!

JOKER MMS DX SERIES!

NURSE JOKER CUSTOMS!

POEMS ABOUT NURSE JOKER CUSTOMS!

Sad but true.

Please split the DC forum up, Dave!

 

[karamazov80]

Well, it has to pass a smell test of sorts. And if multiple members are finding it difficult to talk about the stock figure because the custom talk takes over, then it has probably gone too far.

As for the sub-forum option, I honestly don't know if it will help or not. I think the problem is more getting people to post in the appropriate threads, and having the sub-section may help to steer people in that direction. But if it bothers folks having to wade through custom threads to get to non-custom threads, then "segregating" the forum in that way obviously facilitates that, as well.

 

[Darth Snoopy]

Smell test? You're not gonna make us smell poop are you?

 

[devilof76]

You can't smell it already? The real smell test would be seeing if once it's split, you can't smell it any more.

Separating by licensed and custom should be fine. All of the available DC product (merchandise and books) should be sufficient to carry it's own forum.

 

[amusedjester]

Just leave it alone. Works fine right now, nothing is getting buried.

 

[Gipetto0812]

What is the difference between an unofficial DC product and a custom?

dc equivalent of art figures saves figure versus, 'screen accurate' socks, suspenders, shoes, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

Sorry, I still don't understand. What does that mean? Can you give some examples?

i think what Rorschach means by unofficial figure is actually unlicensed figure like how the Art Figures "Saves" 1/6 figure is an unlicensed Punisher Warzone/Ray Stevenson figure. I haven't seen any unlicensed figures for DC related characters made but I haven't really looked either

Right, but the problem is, you're giving examples of extremes. Those are well-defined, but I think the line is a lot more blurry where they meet.

Obviously a stock figure belongs in a stock figure thread. And minimum modification (like repainting a stock figure head) could easily belong in a stock figure thread as well. Meanwhile, a totally custom figure (custom head, custom clothes) belongs in a custom figure forum.

But how much modification does it take for something to no longer belong in a stock figure thread? At what point does it become more of a custom?

Take Maglor's modified Takara Batman, for example. I'm talking about the one with the stuffing and custom cape and so forth. If he gets a custom head for it, does it still belong in the stock Takara Batman thread, or a custom thread? Or both? A good portion of it is still the stock figure that uses the original materials, but there is some heavy, fairly non-reversible modifications to it that make it look quite different.

I think it's hard to draw that line - and because of that difficulty, creating a sub-forum for customs isn't going to solve the problem any more than creating different threads (one for stock figures, one for customs) in the same forum has.

i think when changing the head is when it's really the defining moment that it's a custom. It's not simply repainting or adding life-like features i.e. real hair, you've gone and changed the utter essence of the stock figure. The Stock HS is probably one of the more main things that keeps it from a custom. Unless of course you keep the stock head but completely overhaul the wardrobe with custom clothing which saying so obviously makes it a custom b/c the clothing is no longer stock.

But simple mods like changing the cape, stuffing the suit, and repainting I think can still be shown/talked about in the the Stock figures thread.

like what karamazov80 said, when the essence of the figure is gone and all you're using are pieces of it, it's clearly no longer stock. Similar to how ppl where only using the Mattel Superman costume but nothing else from it, it's clearly no longer stock

just my 2cents

 

[vodoun]

i think when changing the head is when it's really the defining moment that it's a custom. It's not simply repainting or adding life-like features i.e. real hair, you've gone and changed the utter essence of the stock figure. The Stock HS is probably one of the more main things that keeps it from a custom. Unless of course you keep the stock head but completely overhaul the wardrobe with custom clothing which saying so obviously makes it a custom b/c the clothing is no longer stock.

Glueing, putty and painting is permanent.

But simple mods like changing the cape, stuffing the suit, and repainting I think can still be shown/talked about in the the Stock figures thread.

Those can be undone except repaints.

Sometimes I can't get over the craziness reading this response and the topic. I don't mean you just how mad this custom vs stock disease has turned. Dips in shoes aren't curved/deep enough. Socks are slightly off pattern or too long or too short. Y-fronts are missing. The flap is too small/big. The buttons are too big/small/wrong shape/style. Repainted gloves, gloves with no buttons, gloves with the wrong shaped buttons/missing buttons, gloves with the wrong shade of silver buttons. The colour is off, here want my spyder calibrator? picking out colour palettes/wrong colour palettes. Back and forth to printers. It's a mm off! no wait too much! wait! I'm colour blind! Do we agree on the colour? ok let's vote on the colour. You're colourblind! As other members have said before, it really takes the fun out of the hobby.

It's like Frasier's dad telling him to stop overanalyzing words and things in his life. ¬_¬

 

[Gipetto0812]

Glueing, putty and painting is permanent.

I agree, but as long as you don't change the face I think it's ok and still can be considered a mod. If you cut off the nose off or lips or add something that changes the facial part of sculpt to where you can no longer see the original stock sculpt I call that a custom. MRM's joker hair mod and repaint to his DX joker I feel is still considered a mod b/c nothing about the face has changed. The PERS still works all that was changed was the hair.

Those can be undone except repaints.

I don't see anything wrong with repaints. I think resculpting is when it starts to become more of a custom.

Sometimes I can't get over the craziness reading this response and the topic. I don't mean you just how mad this custom vs stock disease has turned. Dips in shoes aren't curved/deep enough. Socks are slightly off pattern or too long or too short. Y-fronts are missing. The flap is too small/big. The buttons are too big/small/wrong shape/style. The colour is off, here want my spyder calibrator? picking out colour palettes/wrong colour palettes. Back and forth to printers. It's a mm off! no wait too much! wait! I'm colour blind! Do we agree on the colour? ok let's vote on the colour. You're colourblind! As other members have said before, it really takes the fun out of the hobby.

It's like Frasier's dad telling him to stop overanalyzing words and things in his life. ¬_¬

as for the rest of what you've said, I have to agree with you

 

[Rorschach]

i think what Rorschach means by unofficial figure is actually unlicensed figure like how the Art Figures "Saves" 1/6 figure is an unlicensed Punisher Warzone/Ray Stevenson figure.

correct. suspect haytil understands, but being adversarial for sake of being adversarial.

 

[haytil]

correct. suspect haytil understands, but being adversarial for sake of being adversarial.

No, I didn't understand what you were saying, as I said, which is why I asked you to clarify. Gipetto812 made it clear, which I appreciate, and now I understand.

Instead of assuming that someone's trying to start trouble with you, maybe you should try and explain yourself better next time, especially when someone goes to the trouble of asking for clarification. Maybe they don't have the same kind of knowledge about this hobby as you. Or maybe they can't read English that's written so poorly.

Writing in complete sentences would be a good start.