Which I think adds to this IMO. He is capable of learning multiple languages, but he did not think it important enough to learn sign for Maya.
Not really though. He cared about her before he ever knew he could use her.
I'm not sure about that. We learned in the show that her Uncle Henry was also involved in Fisk's illegal operations, so Fisk could have become Maya's "guardian" to maintain leverage on Henry to keep him in line so that operations continued to run smoothly.
Don’t think so. He was genuinely upset about the ice cream guy being rude to her and he even wanted to change his bloody clothes so that she wouldn’t see and be afraid of him.
Well it's been well established that Fisk resorts to extreme violence as his default setting when he comes across something or someone he disagrees with so I don't see the ice cream guy beat down as proof of love. What was significant was his actions appealed to a misunderstood, frustrated, angry child and made her think that such a violent response was acceptable. I think he recognized in that moment that he could use that connection to manipulate/mold her as their relationship grew. And sure, maybe he came to really love her per his own warped definition but not from day one.
I mean I don’t really disagree, it can be both.
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Yes either interpretation is supported by the material. One could argue that the Gao and Nabu situations are just more examples of his selfishness, as he learned their languages as part of his efforts to further his illicit empire whereas learning ASL wasn't necessary as he already had "control" of Maya. Regardless I completely agree about the ridiculous nature of the contact lens though - someone as astute as Fisk would have realized at that point in time that would be viewed by Maya as a too little, too late empty gesture. Same with killing the interpreter - surely he would have leveraged her to the point where she wouldn't dare betray him. Maybe the showrunners felt it was necessary to remind the casual viewers of Fisk's ruthlessness but I found it an odd choice.I mean I don’t really disagree, it can be both.
But if he can learn Mandarin and Japanese for Madame Gao and Nobu (two people that can speak English anyway) then he can learn ASL for Maya without hiring someone that he’s going to kill or spending a stupid amount of resources on a (ridiculous) auto-translation contact lens that was only used once
I dunno, just seems like an odd choice to have a character thats learned two of the hardest languages to learn in the world not learn sign language over the course of 2 whole decades.
Someone of his intellect level would surely have picked a good chunk of it up through the translations over that kind of time period.
Yeah. Fisk learned those languages for his own gain, but it gained him some respect with them. Personally I feel he should have done the same with Maya, I don’t really believe she would’ve looked up to him that much if he couldn’t even be bothered to do that for her.
Yes, hopefully Feige's decision to scrap what they had done with Daredevil Reborn and starting over allows for that. The Echo post credits scene where it's implied that Fisk will be running for Mayor was an interesting twist. Imagine him winning and using the police to hunt down Daredevil as a criminal/vigilante.
You mean get ready for Madame Fisk joining the Sinister Six and running through walls like the Kool-Aid Man...Get ready for Kingpin joining the Sinister Six and running through walls like the Kool-Aid Man.
