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[Motuxmen]

What Id like to know is why the eyes of this suit are much more spread apart. What would be the benefit of this? Wouldnt it be harder to see? I dunno something Ive always wondered...

Not sure. It may give a wider field of view. But since he mostly uses the HUD I'm not sure that really matters. Maybe just the appearance of wider field of view..or maybe so the sensors or computer gets a wider view. At supersonic speeds you would need to use the hud and sensors anyway. Humans can't see far enough or well enough to avoid anything smaller then a skyscraper at those speeds.

 

[Motuxmen]

No I saw the "it causes drag" posts. And your just wrong. They didn't remove paint becuase of drag. They did it to lower the weight. But I'm sure your right. I mean it's not like the X1 is painted in that pic. Or the others if it. Or that the f16,f15,f18,f22,f35, sr1, space shuttle, concord...they don't have paint. Nope. And the number one concern with (other then stealth) with paint both commercially and government (military/nasa) with paint is weight. Nope. I mean it cuases so much drag nearly every plane on the planet doesnt..oh..wait...that's odd...they all seem to have paint. But yep...you are correct.

 

[Motuxmen]

If you can't beat them, join them

or

When in Rome, do as the Romans do






I was in MAG 32, intermediate level maintenance. 6468 was my MOS and went to Millington, TN for A-school. What's your specs bud????














Oh look, the X-1 in the lower left corner, the plane they had to remove the paint from and burnish the metal to get it to go faster

Thanks for posting that











I guess you missed this comment:

"I don't know. when I see this I'm reminded of the first jets that were built to go super sonic and most of them were not painted since it causes drag. I'm thinking anything that is supposed to go mach 5 might have to rely on less paint and more smooth metal"


I never said weight isn't a factor but it was not the main reason they didn't paint the first experimental test jets.

On any production AC weight is a huge factor

On a Boeing 777 the paint weights 475 pounds, so how much you think it would weigh on a plane such as the X-1 with 1/10 of it's surface, let alone a man sized armor?

Oh, and I see why you didn't learn anything about aerodynamics. If your a 6468...that's a guy that fixes the equipment that tests the stuff from the plane. They don't actually work on the aircraft. It's like saying you work for snap-on or craftsmen reprint tools and you work on cars. Makes sense. And when I say they fix the equipment...not the actual items from the plane. They repair the test bench and oscopes and multimeters and what not. Not a single item that actually touches an aircraft.

And yes, it is weight. Please..do some research. It's the top concern with regard to paint.

As for my specs..I gave those. My second stint in I was a 6412. Comm/nav we worked in same shape did same work as 6411,12,13,14. Mag11(marine air group 11) we actually worked on the aircraft equipment.

 

[LipSmack]

Oh, and I see why you didn't learn anything about aerodynamics. If your a 6468...that's a guy that fixes the equipment that tests the stuff from the plane. They don't actually work on the aircraft. It's like saying you work for snap-on or craftsmen reprint tools and you work on cars. Makes sense. And when I say they fix the equipment...not the actual items from the plane. They repair the test bench and oscopes and multimeters and what not. Not a single item that actually touches an aircraft.

And yes, it is weight. Please..do some research. It's the top concern with regard to paint.

As for my specs..I gave those. My second stint in I was a 6412. Comm/nav we worked in same shape did same work as 6411,12,13,14. Mag11(marine air group 11) we actually worked on the aircraft equipment.

 

[Boba Debt]

Oh, and I see why you didn't learn anything about aerodynamics. If your a 6468...that's a guy that fixes the equipment that tests the stuff from the plane. They don't actually work on the aircraft. It's like saying you work for snap-on or craftsmen reprint tools and you work on cars. Makes sense. And when I say they fix the equipment...not the actual items from the plane. They repair the test bench and oscopes and multimeters and what not. Not a single item that actually touches an aircraft.

And yes, it is weight. Please..do some research. It's the top concern with regard to paint.

As for my specs..I gave those. My second stint in I was a 6412. Comm/nav we worked in same shape did same work as 6411,12,13,14. Mag11(marine air group 11) we actually worked on the aircraft equipment.

Either you are ignorant of my MOS or you are lying. You don't seem like the type of person that lies so I hope you are just ignorant of what I did.




A 6468 is an intermediate avionics technician. When I was in the Corp, my shop (WC 650) used the EETS test bench and repaired 60% of the the AV8B's avionics equipment such as computers, control boxes, indicators, amplifiers, etc - pretty much anything electronic that controlled the aircraft. We did not work on Comm Nav stuff, that was WC 620 if I remember correctly


Now that you know what I actually did in the Corps, I would expect you to apologize for misrepresenting it on an open public forum in an attempt to make what I did seem unimportant or less related to aircraft maintenance.

BTW: Since I started working at FRC East I have work on 5 different airframes spanning from the AV*B to the F-35 which brings me to this little nugget you incorrectly post - The F22 and F-35 are not painted.

I should know I work on the F-35s and my shop was responsible for helping Lockheed Martin make their Marine Corps IOC deal line which was something everyone in the pentagon doubted would happen


You argument that production military aircraft are painted is a red herring. Obviously they have to be painted for practical purposes.

And of course weight is a factor in production aircraft, commercial or military

But when it comes to experimental test plane anything goes and no expense is sparred.




So if Tony Stark did create an armor that could go Mach 5 I am sure he would take advantage of every drag reducing, weight saving concept ever conceived.







BTW - I don't know what you meant by this comment - "I mean it's not like the X1 is painted in that pic."



I can't tell if it is or isn't but I do know that they stripped the paint of fthe X-1 and burnished the metal skin to reduce drag so it would go faster.

 

[LipSmack]

Wait F-35's... arent those the planes everyone is calling **** and worse the F-16's? nice to know someone who had a helping hand...

Pentagon?s big budget F-35 fighter ?can?t turn, can?t climb, can?t run?

also pretty sad that this argument boils down to a "if tony stark..."

 

[Motuxmen]

Wait F-35's... arent those the planes everyone is calling **** and worse the F-16's? nice to know someone who had a helping hand...

Pentagon?s big budget F-35 fighter ?can?t turn, can?t climb, can?t run?

also pretty sad that this argument boils down to a "if tony stark..."

Yep those the ones. But, they are not that bad. The f18 had the same press when it came out. Most air frames do.

Boba-your right I wasn't lieing...and if you worked in 620 I did have your MoS confused with another. Still doesn't change that your statements are silly.

Yes, a private sector or test plane can have more money dumped in it. Maybe. The funding put into the USA military air I'd be willing to bet far exceeds the amount and private entity spends. So not sure that your statement holds much water.

You said you helped (or tried to make it appear) in the design of the f35...which does have paint btw...as does the f22...then you should know that power to weight ratio is much much much much much much much much more important then the small amount of drag paint vs polished(which some parts can't be becuase not all the plane is a metal that can easily be polished...and a test plane isn't always painted becuase it's essentially a prototype. Things are moved and tweaked and adjusted. If it where always painted you'd potential have to sand and repaint and whatnot.

On a suit designed to fly, a suit that is NOT aerodynamic already, weight would be a much larger concern. If he can overcome that, then the polished metal vs paint argument is pointless. Again, if a plane can fly without paint, it can fly with it. But if speed is an issue then weight is an issue. It's the same principle with cars(for weight). To gain power the easiest thing to do is remove weight. The drag Coef of paint vs polished metal is so small it doesn't matter. Not when compared to weight.

There are lots of normal painted f35s. But the rest still have paint. Just not normal paint..

The facility uses laser guides to apply radar absorbent composites to the fighter jet. The robotic laser guides and paint guns use an infra-red grid to triangulate their position in relation to the aircraft, applying just the right amount of "magic" paint at the perfect angle. According to Lockheed Martin, nobody in the world and in any industry has anything remotely approaching this.

So, again, your mistaken. Also-

 

[Motuxmen]

Oh-and the f22...painted as well. Just not conventional paint. But, it's painted.

F-22 Raptors' Spray Paint Booth - YouTube

 

[Y4NK33 PL4N3T]

If you can't beat them, join them

or

When in Rome, do as the Romans do

So now that you're participating in the off topic discussion and railroading the thread it's all peaches and cream even though you've whined about it since your first day here and not less than a week ago? #hypocrite

Oh, and I see why you didn't learn anything about aerodynamics. If your a 6468...that's a guy that fixes the equipment that tests the stuff from the plane. They don't actually work on the aircraft. It's like saying you work for snap-on or craftsmen reprint tools and you work on cars. Makes sense. And when I say they fix the equipment...not the actual items from the plane. They repair the test bench and oscopes and multimeters and what not. Not a single item that actually touches an aircraft.

And yes, it is weight. Please..do some research. It's the top concern with regard to paint.

As for my specs..I gave those. My second stint in I was a 6412. Comm/nav we worked in same shape did same work as 6411,12,13,14. Mag11(marine air group 11) we actually worked on the aircraft equipment.

 

[Boba Debt]

Mox I didn't think you had it in you to appologize


And give it up on the F-35s

I never said I helped design them. I said my shop which is a division of FRS East, helped LM make Marine Corps IOC it's been in the news lately:

Marine Corps, Navy leaders praise FRC East team for F-35B modification efforts | NAVAIR - U.S. Navy Naval Air Systems Command - Navy and Marine Corps Aviation Research, Development, Acquisition, Test and Evaluation

Here is the excerpt from that article:

MARINE CORPS AIR STATION CHERRY POINT, N.C. — On the verge of the Marine Corps achieving initial operational capability (IOC) for the Joint Strike Fighter, Marine Aviation and Navy Air Systems leaders skipped ahead of the formal celebrations to laud the Fleet Readiness Center (FRC) East team for its unrelenting efforts to deliver five modified F-35B aircraft.....



Yes, they paint the show birds but the production F-35s are not painted, they are coated. I crawl over them all day long and I'm friends with all of the LO specialists (Low Observance Coating) specialist. You call one of them and painter and they stick one of their scrapers up you arse.


Did you even watch the video you posted a link to. Its about repairing the coating in a temporary way to keep the AC operational until it comes to my shop. It takes a 5 million dollar paint booth to apply "short term repairs". That should tell you how sophisticated the coating on the F-22 and F-35 is.

Btw, the F35 has no metal skin at all. It is 100% composite.


But I digress, I only work on them everyday, how would I know more about them then what you can read on the internet.




Lipsmack - Canada bought 65 of these so you might want to throttle back the **** talking.

I'm proud to work on this airframe and it's exciting to be on the ground floor of this program. We are working on the first production F-35s built. There has never been this type of naval depot involvement in an aircraft program ever, including the V-22 which we work on too.

The F-35 is the single largest Aircraft procurement program on the planet, period.

It is going to change the face of war so try to show a modicum of respect for the hundreds of thousands of people involved in the program.

 

[LipSmack]

Yes Canadian govt bought them, i had no say and our government has been mocked time and time again for such a stupid decision... So ill **** talk all I want, over priced junk (as of now)

 

[CollectorGuy]

Enough with the **** measuring and arguing over plane aerodynamics. It's a pointless thing to argue over and is off topic for some time.

 

[svander]

What a stupid thing to argue about.

This thread is about an action figure.

 

[krzykoopa]

Im surprised this isn't sold out

 

[duo_maxwell_1017]

Im surprised this isn't sold out

I think this might sell out a little faster when it coupon eligible.

 

[GeneralZodLives]

I think it'll be around for a long time. The EX will sell out eventually but it's not an accessory I'm interested in so I'll wait and get the regular at a discount. Iron Man armors aren't the quick sells they used to be.

 

[duo_maxwell_1017]

I'm getting it just not yet. I have time.

 

[CTO15]

What a stupid thing to argue about.

This thread is about an action figure.

happens all the time in forums like this

 

[hockeyflow33]

Im surprised this isn't sold out

Unless it's a toyfair exclusive or something like that you're better off just waiting. At two months you can use a $20 coupon.


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[duo_maxwell_1017]

Unless it's a toyfair exclusive or something like that you're better off just waiting. At two months you can use a $20 coupon.


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