[iminime] (The Cowboy), The Bounty Hunter & The Bandit
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Sooo you buy recasts... Got it.
Yes i bought one because i coundt buy a second one from iminime because he didnt have one to sell me... I was from the first ones that preorder the original one....or do i had to buy a second one for $400 on ebay...i bought a recasted one when i couldnt find a second one on the market
The paint app on the Redman figs, looks a bit Hasbro, Happy I got the legit set.
ishothimsixtimes
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There seems to be a real sense of entitlement amongst some collectors. Like any other walk of life, if you can't afford something, or it's sold out, then...i'm sorry...you simply go without. You don't just wander off to the shady end of town and have a quick word with Gordon the stolen goods guy to see if he can get his grubby little hands on any for dirt cheap. That's basically what buying recasts amounts to for many people here.
Thank you, and just recently I find the sense of entitlement just simply overwhelming - I can't afford this and that, so you must make it to my affordability, if can't make it to that pricetag it's your fault.....never blame yourself but always others lol
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Ebeneezer Jones
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Where are you getting your insane profit forecast of 300-400.
Denny paid staff to sculpt the heads which were then shown to people for any alterations that needed doing, which if i recall was months of work. He had to pay for all of that, and the peoples wages each week regardless of how long it took, he always had to pay his people.
The tailoring was done in a short run by Iris, who doesn't make huge production runs, BUT you get what you pay for and the tailoring was top notch. The outfits alone would have cost Denny apprx 150, so just that on it's own puts you BS figure of 300-400 profit into the land of fantasy.
Redman didn't do any of this. They re-cast the heads, and if you think the final outfit you will get even comes close to the Iris outfit you really are deranged.
It seems to me that your actually quite pleased, and basically saying Denny deserves this in some way...? Because he is living on a yacht somewhere surrounded by naked lap dancers sipping cocktails and laughing at all of us while admiring his Ferrari on the dock.
batfan08
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That's what pisses me off more than anything; these guys who you constantly see posting their new hauls on OSR trying to justify supporting the recasts by acting like they can't get these customs because they're too expensive. When I got my Cowboy, I owned three Hot Toys figures, and I sold two of them to buy it. Point being: if you can buy Hot Toys, year round, but you can't buy one custom, what? Bi-annually, maybe (I'm just talking about MW's output here; not factoring in other artists) you just don't want it badly enough. $500-600 is a lot of money for a figure, but $200 isn't a pittance, either. I don't know. I hate the way this **** works. I wish more than anything that Denny could just get the capital to go legit and wash his hands of all this happy horse****.
cmiller99
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Exactly. Denny isn't making a profit margin of $400! They're an independent business, and people need to be paid. That's why their figures cost so much. Smaller company and smaller runs = higher prices.
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I was about to post my view on this ignorance about Denny, but you covered my thoughts very well. Believe me, just from the photo's posted, you can plainly see that the quality of the clothing/materials is very poor. See it up close, I'm sure it will be much worse. The paint quality? Yeah right! Just sit back and wait to see what another company produces that is highly sought after, then copy it, and of course, sell it cheap! You think Redman is operating on a profit margin, might be 100%. Guess what? Your new "high quality" Blondie was just produced for $69. What a deal you got!
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And believe me, if Denny were making $300-400 profit per figure, he would be coming out with a new figure every month!
Sorry, but that's your opinion. It has no legal basis. If it's available on eBay and he can pay for it he's got it. By any legal standard he's a whole lot less guilty for possessing it than the guy who violated the copyright in the first place. Btw... Iminime, as with most of these others, made what they expected to make when they sold out their limited run. So I would not feel sorry for all their hard work. That's why you don't hear much crying from them. If HT had come along with a license and beat them to the punch before sold out or,released, perhaps I would feel sorry for them. It seems to be the purchasers doing all the crying. Further it seems there's only a dozen or so fans complaining calling for boycott. Take a look at eBay sales. How many of the resin recasts were sold ? How many of the China recasts have been sold ? Cotswold and Monkey Depot have these up for preorder. I consider them leaders in the 1:6 collector retail industry. What does that say ?...AND ...OF COURSE if you have this set already ,you don't need the Redman version....cept maybe the boots.
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I have the trio set and even though it is a $1,000 or more compared to the Redman set, I much rather have the highest quality and know that I supported the original artist/producer. In most cases, you get what you pay for, quality wise.
Will the guy who writes those great reviews an links them to OSW touch these ? MC ? If so that will be the tale of the tape re the quality of the outfits and accessories. AND if they are 1/2 as good as Iminime than they are HALF as good as Iminime for what, HALF the price.
Great for you guys . We celebrate your flawless original purchase. We certainly are happy for you. But, if the other guy is happy with the inferior figure, that he was able to afford on his budget and adequately represents his favorite character to him, than I'm happy for him also.
ishothimsixtimes
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The legality issue is nothing more than smoke and mirrors to smudge the fact that these recasters are simply s******g on the original artists from a great height. Whether the figure was licensed in the first place is irrelevant, apart from being the sole reason that such opportunists can be so brazen in blatantly ripping off another's original creation. No one abstains from buying custom figures solely on principle, simply because they're unlicensed, so it's a waste of time trying to play that card in an attempt to prove a point. The only stumbling blocks for some are price, limited numbers and lack of info over how and where to obtain them.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but collectors used to consider themselves part of a community and talented custom artists played an important role in that community by creating their own take on previously ignored favourites that would most likely never see the light of day otherwise. Making as much coin as possible has never been their primary concern. It's about using their skill set to provide fellow collectors with figures that would most likely never be offered elsewhere via an official release. Yeah, sure, there's got to be some financial incentive for them to invest the time and effort such creations demand, but it's not like they're lighting cigars with £50 notes and laughing maniacally whilst the moolah keeps rolling in.
Sooner or later, people like Denny are simply going to walk away from this game because of constant crap like this. Then there's going to be nobody creating these original, high quality pieces in the first place and nothing for these pod people to copy and pass off as their own. Really, why should they persist when a large percentage of the very people they're offering their time and talents too are happy to sit back and rub their hands together at the thought of getting hold of a cheap recast a year or so down the line? Why put so many hours of painstaking work into something only to see others taking liberties and lining their own pockets by churning out soulless copies of something you spent six months or longer perfecting?
It's not about legality. It's about respect and knowing right from wrong.
It's about some talented people creating something that has artistic merit and value and someone else...whose only talent seems to be a lack of scruples...spotting an opportunity to take advantage of the situation.
It's about some collectors appreciating and caring about what custom artists actually bring to this community, and some other collectors seemingly not giving a **** as long as they can get a simulacra of something desirable that others have, without paying the price the original workmanship merits.
Anyway, I'm done with this discussion. You either get it or you don't, and you clearly can't get your head round it or you're just on a wind up.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but collectors used to consider themselves part of a community and talented custom artists played an important role in that community by creating their own take on previously ignored favourites that would most likely never see the light of day otherwise. Making as much coin as possible has never been their primary concern. It's about using their skill set to provide fellow collectors with figures that would most likely never be offered elsewhere via an official release. Yeah, sure, there's got to be some financial incentive for them to invest the time and effort such creations demand, but it's not like they're lighting cigars with £50 notes and laughing maniacally whilst the moolah keeps rolling in.
Sooner or later, people like Denny are simply going to walk away from this game because of constant crap like this. Then there's going to be nobody creating these original, high quality pieces in the first place and nothing for these pod people to copy and pass off as their own. Really, why should they persist when a large percentage of the very people they're offering their time and talents too are happy to sit back and rub their hands together at the thought of getting hold of a cheap recast a year or so down the line? Why put so many hours of painstaking work into something only to see others taking liberties and lining their own pockets by churning out soulless copies of something you spent six months or longer perfecting?
It's not about legality. It's about respect and knowing right from wrong.
It's about some talented people creating something that has artistic merit and value and someone else...whose only talent seems to be a lack of scruples...spotting an opportunity to take advantage of the situation.
It's about some collectors appreciating and caring about what custom artists actually bring to this community, and some other collectors seemingly not giving a **** as long as they can get a simulacra of something desirable that others have, without paying the price the original workmanship merits.
Anyway, I'm done with this discussion. You either get it or you don't, and you clearly can't get your head round it or you're just on a wind up.
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