Xbox One System Discussion

[Haloid1177]

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And that's what the game industry and software companies have let the world believe too long. Read that long Terms of Service agreement and you'll see that you are incorrect. Problem is the companies have let the world believe that for so long and spoiled us.

I can understand tying it to a single system. Fine. Don't agree, but okay. But to each account? No. This is easily the biggest screw up Microsoft has made with Xbox announcements.

 

[DFanatic]

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Because YOU bought a game. A game for YOU to play. You didn't buy a game for you, your son, his friend down the road, and then some guy that buys it from Gamestop. Sorry, but that's not the way it's supposed to work, that's just what people have been doing.

Oh give me a break. That's the way it works with everything else in the world. You have a bike? You can lend it to your friends or sell it. You have a movie? You can lend it or sell it. It's just good and old MS greed. Why are u defending a billion dollar corporation's scam to make more money?

 

[Kabukiman]

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Because YOU bought a game. A game for YOU to play. You didn't buy a game for you, your son, his friend down the road, and then some guy that buys it from Gamestop. Sorry, but that's not the way it's supposed to work, that's just what people have been doing.

I... I don't even know how to respond to that. I've never seen, nor agreed to, PC-like terms of service on a console game unless it's something online. Hell, other users on my PC can play all the games installed on it, so I'm not sure where you're going with this.

 

[Dead-Man]

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Processor and graphics: as rumored, a heavily customized AMD chip that combines an eight-core CPU, a GPU tailored for DirectX 11.1 graphics and 32MB of high bandwidth embedded ESRAM memory. The 28nm chip will consume around 100 watts, which is slightly higher than current Xbox Slim and PS3, but Microsoft promises noise from the cooling fans will be "four times quieter."

System memory: a Sony-rivaling 8GB of RAM, although it'll be DDR3 instead of the PlayStation 4's GDDR5.

Audio and video: 1080p and 4K both supported; 7.1 surround sound.

Kinect: This will be bundled with the console and contain 250,000-pixel infrared depth sensor as well as a regular 720p web cam.

Storage and media: a 500GB hard drive of unknown speed plus a Blu-ray / DVD combo drive that will be used as little as possible. We're told disc-based games will be ripped to the HDD automatically.

Connectivity: HDMI 1.4 output and passthrough; a "few" USB 3.0 ports; gigabit Ethernet; plus, three separate 802.11n radios to allow the console to communicate with its controller (over a form of WiFi Direct) as well as other devices (such as perhaps other Windows-based phones and tablets) without losing its connection to the internet. At other times, two radios could be used to maintain a stronger WiFi signal.

 

[The Mike]

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Because YOU bought a game. A game for YOU to play. You didn't buy a game for you, your son, his friend down the road, and then some guy that buys it from Gamestop. Sorry, but that's not the way it's supposed to work, that's just what people have been doing.

This is counter-intuitive to what Microsoft wants isn't it? They want a living room experience for the whole family but limit gameplay to one person's account only? So multiple gamers would have to do what? A game should be able to be played by anyone in the household; which is the keystone to their Kinect selling points, the idea of a family "outing" at home; I don't see this doing anything but making that more difficult.

If my wife and I want to co-op play and we both have Live subscriptions we should be able to play together right? Or will this one account idea mean we'll both have to buy the gamerights?

 

[IrishJedi]

If you think Microsoft is the driving force behind the Pre-Owned Fee idea you at dense. That is absolutely coming from the major publishers, who've ways hated the idea of used games sales at GameStop, etc. This is why they started charging for DLC and doing "Season Passes" and such. If this is for real and MS does it then you can bet Sony will, too. It would be a new industry standard, and already in line with the current trend. But by all means, automatically blame Microsoft.

And I really doubt it'd mean multiple accts on the same system would have to pay the fee. It's obviously for Pre-Owned games that were originally registered on another owner's console. This is exactly what the software companies want... If one of their games is resold, they want a cut. And because they can't force retailers or private sellers to enforce this, they're going the digital licensing route.

This is plain as day, folks.

 

[Shropt]

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I don't see the one account working myself. It needs to be per Xbox to clear up the system multiplayer aspect.

 

[SOLIDSNAKE]

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Totally agree.

 

[SOLIDSNAKE]

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Oh bull****. I paid for it. It's mine. If I want to lend it to somebody, I should be able to.

 

[Mogli]

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I bet we'll start seeing a lot fewer games that allow multiple save slots as well, since in some ways that would let a family work around the fees, if they don't care about stuff like achievements. I expected them to tie it to consoles, I never expected this. It hurts the people who always share to save money in a household, no two ways about it.

I don't think it was ever "supposed" to be this way, and I doubt you'll ever see Nintendo pulling crap like this.

I hope you guys saying it's not tied to accounts are right. And yes, it's obvious this was a push from developers. But actually nothing is clear until MS clarifies the issue. And if Sony has indeed made it an option, and left it for the developers to decide, there's no way it wasn't the decision of MS to make it mandatory. We'll see.

 

[SOLIDSNAKE]

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I am always outside specially it's summer.
patio parties, buisness parties, pool, beach family BBQ's ETC..

who the hell watches that much Tv ????

 

[Kabukiman]

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If you think Microsoft is the driving force behind the Pre-Owned Fee idea you at dense. That is absolutely coming from the major publishers, who've ways hated the idea of used games sales at GameStop, etc. This is why they started charging for DLC and doing "Season Passes" and such. If this is for real and MS does it then you can bet Sony will, too. It would be a new industry standard, and already in line with the current trend. But by all means, automatically blame Microsoft.

And I really doubt it'd mean multiple accts on the same system would have to pay the fee. It's obviously for Pre-Owned games that were originally registered on another owners console. This is exactly what the software companies want.

I must've missed the people blaming Microsoft part, of course the major publishers are behind it. It's just sucks in general. Sony may decide to fight the publishers on it, we don't know.

All the articles I've seen about this have specifically said that the install would be tied to a user's XBL account, not the console itself. Hence the complaining about multiple users on a single Xbox.

Sounds like used game sales may still be allowed though:

@MrJonty On second hand games: you buy disc, it installs, you play from HD. Sell disc, it installs to new console and deactivates your install.

https://twitter.com/mrjonty/status/336924553848684544

The sky may not be falling after all?

 

[batfan08]

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This is a farce. Intrigue now dashed.

 

[Spartan Rex]

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If you think Microsoft is the driving force behind the Pre-Owned Fee idea you at dense. That is absolutely coming from the major publishers, who've ways hated the idea of used games sales at GameStop, etc. This is why they started charging for DLC and doing "Season Passes" and such. If this is for real and MS does it then you can bet Sony will, too. It would be a new industry standard, and already in line with the current trend. But by all means, automatically blame Microsoft.

And I really doubt it'd mean multiple accts on the same system would have to pay the fee. It's obviously for Pre-Owned games that were originally registered on another owner's console. This is exactly what the software companies want... If one of their games is resold, they want a cut. And because they can't force retailers or private sellers to enforce this, they're going the digital licensing route.


This is plain and day, folks.

MS is complicit as they brokered an exclusive deal with EA and you can bet that was one of the demands from EA to be met before signing. EA wants it's dough one way or the other.

 

[The Josh]

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And I really doubt it'd mean multiple accts on the same system would have to pay the fee. It's obviously for Pre-Owned games that were originally registered on another owner's console. This is exactly what the software companies want... If one of their games is resold, they want a cut. And because they can't force retailers or private sellers to enforce this, they're going the digital licensing route.

This is plain as day, folks.

The main problem comes in with say like with Kain. If he buys one copy of the game for him and his son to share on different systems in the same house they might have to pay for it twice just to use it in the same house. That seems a bit lame to me.

 

[Matt S]

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I love my Xbox 360, but the name of XBOX ONE pretty confirms my worst fears: MS is more concerned about being an 'all-in-one' machine than a great game console.....not blown away by it so far

 

[darthviper107]

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nvm I just got the news. good no always online.
good move MS but the sharing games you have to pay a fee.
give me a break.

It looks like they will have some way of allowing you to resell games, but it's still probably an issue with sharing games.

 

[Matt S]

Any word on what type of RAM?

 

[IrishJedi]

The main problem comes in with say like with Kain. If he buys one copy of the game for him and his son to share on different systems in the same house they might have to pay for it twice just to use it in the same house. That seems a bit lame to me.

Yeah, it's definitely lame. But so is paid DLC at launch and lots of other things that are part of this same trend.

 

[Mogli]

Some people are guessing that the fee will be the full price of the game or close to it, otherwise, the ability to install and play without the disc will encourage one person to buy it, then give it to all his friends, who can then have the full game for only a small fee and play it without the disc. But that doesn't make much sense either, because MS would've likely thought of it, so it seems to be more likely directed at accounts on one system, but who knows.

I don't have a clue either way. Can't wait to see MS clarify all this, it seems all we say is "let's wait till E3" to finally hear some good news.