JND Studios 1/6 scale Heath Ledger Joker figure

[Wor-Gar]

what is the point of this?

To make you crazy because you know, deep down, you want it. You want to squish his squishy face.

 

[DiFabio]

To make you crazy because you know, deep down, you want it. You want to squish his squishy face.

Oh I most certainly do.

I also want to take the face off too and see that weird skeleton thing with the creepy glass eyes. It looks like Superman when he goes into that crystal chamber and loses his powers or the toy soldiers from Small Soldiers.

BUT, it’s a gimmick that isn’t worth dropping $1000+ on just to squish his cheeks.

Collectors don’t think about this too often, but the tangible quality is one of the reasons we collect what we collect. I’m sure the oldest of us have fond, nostalgic memories of our hard plastic figures of GI Joe, Batman, Darth Vader, etc. Touch is one of the reasons we buy these stupid things as opposed to just collecting photos. Joker’s purple coat isn’t just a visual experience, it’s a tactile one too.

Squishy = cheap, anyone who disagrees is fooling themselves

 

[Gipetto0812]

What I'm finding quite funny in this thread is that the ppl who are happy with their InArt figure seem to be the most upset by this release. If you're happy with what you have, why does this make you so angry? Is it b/c it's Joker again? B/c the silicone heads with seamless necks and wrists are going to happen on the majority, if not all of their future offerings along with the price point most likely. So, if you're already mad at this, be prepared to be completely upset at whatever comes next as well

There are places were InArt for sure wins, mostly being in the hands and accessories-love the detail on those except the knife and it's cheap plastic. The rest was quite average and a bit of a let down for me.

 

[Wor-Gar]

$2,000 so you can go...

"Boop"

 

[Captain Clown]

What I'm finding in this thread and quite funny is that the ppl who are happy with their InArt figure seem to be the most upset by this release. If you're happy with what you have, why does this make you so angry? Is it b/c it's Joker again? B/c the silicone heads with seamless necks and wrists are going to happen on the majority, if not all of their future offerings along with the price point most likely. So, if you're already mad at this, be prepared to be completely upset at whatever comes next as well

There are places were InArt for sure wins, mostly being in the hands and accessories-love the detail on those except the knife and it's cheap plastic. The rest was quite average and a bit of a let down for me.

I think it’s absurdly expensive, and all of the experimental features are absolutely terrifying to me for that price. Even JND themselves are cautioning against posing a figure.

I also think JND’s previous Ledger Joker had a gigantic drop in quality when it released. I can’t help but feel that people could be seriously burned when this figure releases - no matter how good the prototype ends up looking.

 

[potatocorner4life]

I think it’s absurdly expensive, and all of the experimental features are absolutely terrifying to me for that price. Even JND themselves are cautioning against posing a figure.

I also think JND’s previous Ledger Joker had a gigantic drop in quality when it released. I can’t help but feel that people could be seriously burned when this figure releases - no matter how good the prototype ends up looking.

They have certainly improved since their very first Ledger Joker. Their 1/3 Batman looked very close to prototype level quality when it was shipped. Only thing was the shipping issues, but that’s a different topic.

There is always a drop in quality but I’m sure they’ve made an improvement since then.

 

[DiFabio]

What I'm finding quite funny in this thread is that the ppl who are happy with their InArt figure seem to be the most upset by this release. If you're happy with what you have, why does this make you so angry? Is it b/c it's Joker again? B/c the silicone heads with seamless necks and wrists are going to happen on the majority, if not all of their future offerings along with the price point most likely. So, if you're already mad at this, be prepared to be completely upset at whatever comes next as well

There are places were InArt for sure wins, mostly being in the hands and accessories-love the detail on those except the knife and it's cheap plastic. The rest was quite average and a bit of a let down for me.

Hey now, you make it known in every thread how disappointed you were with your InArt. I reckon if you had the heads Wor-Gar and I had gotten, nor the quality control issues you experienced, you’d be singing a different tune. Can’t say I blame you.

But I don’t see how anyone in their right mind thinks this gimmick is a superior or great thing. Dropping that kind of money on something so fragile seems like a huge gamble. I’d be wary if Hot Toys or InArt were implementing it. Someone a few posts up said it best, JND are basically admitting some pretty huge red flags in their own advertisement. That doesn’t bode confidence for me to plop down $1XXX, it makes me want to run in the opposite direction.

I see two things that are positives about this set. The sculpt of the “mad dog” head and the sculpt of the smiling head. They look good. Using questionable materials defeats all that though. I don’t see the appeal of this and I’m just curious why there are people here that do. I don’t get it. The only thing this set offers differently is rubbery skin, I don’t think anyone has been clamoring for that.

 

[Nick D]

Make no mistake, I will get a version of this.
However, the only thing that’s an upgrade from customs is the silicon arms and silicon headsculpt due to no visible joints and pose ability which we’re uncertain about currently. The paint application won’t be as good simply due to the material as well as being mass produced as stated before here. I see both sides of points, it’ll definitely be the best on the retail market. But by how much? The accessories aren’t metal here, the base is nice but I’ll probably end up using it for the nicer custom instead of the JND.

 

[DarthAlias]

I have the IA set and I love it. There's definitely room for improvement and also was a drop in quality from proto. I also have a JND Bale Batman statue and that came maybe 99% to prototype. They have come a very long way since Joker, which to me, is their worst portrait, but they are getting better with every release. From what we've seen so far, this sculpt destroys their 1/3 offering. The thing is they're the best at capturing the realism you cannot get from resin or plastic or polystone. The realism silicone adds is next level. Which is why we should expect the set to more expensive. Add the skeleton and articulated fingers adds yet another premium. As mentioned, I plan on getting this, but not selling my IA as expected, each release will have something better than the other. Including HT with the shoes and foot blades and possibly overcoat. But to expect a HIGH-END statue company to enter the 1/6th market for a slightly above cost than the rest, just isn't realistic. If you think it isn't worth it, fine. But there's definitely value here, and JND so far from recent releases, is pretty damn spot on compared to prototype for their 1/3rd line. I can't imagine the prototype being bad and wanting to cancel, should be able to.

 

[BigWayne]

What I'm finding quite funny in this thread is that the ppl who are happy with their InArt figure seem to be the most upset by this release. If you're happy with what you have, why does this make you so angry? Is it b/c it's Joker again? B/c the silicone heads with seamless necks and wrists are going to happen on the majority, if not all of their future offerings along with the price point most likely. So, if you're already mad at this, be prepared to be completely upset at whatever comes next as well

There are places were InArt for sure wins, mostly being in the hands and accessories-love the detail on those except the knife and it's cheap plastic. The rest was quite average and a bit of a let down for me.

Actually, I’m disappointed because this isn’t a slam dunk.

I’ve got the Inart joker, but I was hoping this was going to be better. To me, what I’m getting out of JND’s own campaigns are very mixed messages, including a lack of confidence in their own product. It just seems like they’re making a pitch that whatever they push out is worth whatever they ask because they’re JND. The devil is in the details, especially with new technology, so lay it all out there and give me what I need as a consumer to make an informed decision.

I’m upset because this appears to be an opportunity lost, rather than I’m just content with Inart. Again, I was hoping for better.

 

[Wor-Gar]

No one's mentioned bobblehead yet? Should I go? You, me...who?

Maybe we go pinhead on this?

 

[TheBatman]

Maybe Pudge head once that medical-grade silicone starts having issues

 

[Wor-Gar]

what the hell is that?


And where are the JND pics? They should start dropping any time now... its tomorrow over there.

 

[Gipetto0812]

I think it’s absurdly expensive, and all of the experimental features are absolutely terrifying to me for that price. Even JND themselves are cautioning against posing a figure.

While I don't necessarily disagree, as I said previously, I see it as more of a warning to the reviewers of their statues that purposely squish the heck out of the headsculpts like crazy, try to pop the eyes out and have removed the teeth from the Harely Quinn headsculpts. Those same guys would be the first to break the hands just going based on how they've treated the statues.

I also think JND’s previous Ledger Joker had a gigantic drop in quality when it released. I can’t help but feel that people could be seriously burned when this figure releases - no matter how good the prototype ends up looking.

I honestly feel the same with InArt's Joker though at least in the headsculpts and rooted hair application at the very least Inart's prototype looked amazing. What we got in the box, was less so.

Hey now, you make it known in every thread how disappointed you were with your InArt. I reckon if you had the heads Wor-Gar and I had gotten, nor the quality control issues you experienced, you’d be singing a different tune. Can’t say I blame you.

I’d say I make my disappointment with InArt’s Joker known just as much as the ppl who are happy with it make it known as well. Many ppl in this thread have repeatedly said this JND (and the HT) is pointless since they already have the InArt.

This not a shot at the quality of photos you and he have posted as both of y'all take better pics than I do, but based on what I've seen of your sets, they're no different than mine so can't say my opinion would change if I had either of yours. But it's not just the headsculpts. I don't like the tie, shoes, blazer or shirt either. Plus the magnetic base is sorta lame as you’re pretty much forced into an A stance.

Just to be clear, though, my negatives with the InArt doesn't mean I'm championing the JND product either. I have my share of disappointments with what we've been shown so far as well. I'm sure I'll have more when we see more later tonight/tomorrow morning.

But I don’t see how anyone in their right mind thinks this gimmick is a superior or great thing. Dropping that kind of money on something so fragile seems like a huge gamble. I’d be wary if Hot Toys or InArt were implementing it. Someone a few posts up said it best, JND are basically admitting some pretty huge red flags in their own advertisement. That doesn’t bode confidence for me to plop down $1XXX, it makes me want to run in the opposite direction.

See above for my reply of those red flags. But again, I don't disagree that it's still a red flag and have admitted previously that I do like the magnetic hands/arms from InArt and have never liked the idea of silicone arms. I have no problem with the standard wrist joints we've had throughout this hobby.

I do however, like the idea of the silicone head having aritculation at both the base of the neck as well as between the head and the neck vs the alternative of only articulation at the base of the neck or having a split cut between the head and neck.

The only thing this set offers differently is rubbery skin, I don’t think anyone has been clamoring for that.

I believe @Wor-Gar has mentioned a good amount of times that this is exactly what he's been looking for in the 1/6 hobby if I'm not mistaken

Actually, I’m disappointed because this isn’t a slam dunk.

I’ve got the Inart joker, but I was hoping this was going to be better. To me, what I’m getting out of JND’s own campaigns are very mixed messages, including a lack of confidence in their own product. It just seems like they’re making a pitch that whatever they push out is worth whatever they ask because they’re JND. The devil is in the details, especially with new technology, so lay it all out there and give me what I need as a consumer to make an informed decision.

I’m upset because this appears to be an opportunity lost, rather than I’m just content with Inart. Again, I was hoping for better.

I agree actually. I'm by no means all for this release either. I'm neutral. Am I excited to see the full reveal? Yes, I am. But I'm also not 100% sold on anything we've seen so far either.

As someone who absolutely loves accessories, I've mentioned earlier in this thread that I'm disappointed at both the lack of accessories and hands especially if this is supposed to be the end all be all set. And for the price JND are asking, I'd almost just spend it getting the InArt heads repainted and rehaired by someone like MikeYuan, grab the new Hwa set and call it a day.

While I know I'm in the minority, I'm actually looking forward to seeing what the Artisan production piece of the HT comes out like.

 

[Wor-Gar]

based on what I've seen of your sets, they're no different than mine so can't say my opinion would change if I had either of yours.

Oooo... burn!

I believe @Wor-Gar has mentioned a good amount of times that this is exactly what he's been looking for in the 1/6 hobby if I'm not mistaken

Yes, real-feel skin is something I've been asking for. And real hair. And the ability to walk and talk. I know that's next... and there will be someone who complains "why do I need a walking/talking action figure?"

 

[TheBatman]

Lots of creepers in this hobby..

 

[Wor-Gar]

Lots of creepers in this hobby..

Why, did you just visit the Bo-Katan thread?

 

[DiFabio]

Wor-Gar isn’t the entire fan base. Wor-Gar is a torturer of OCD and loves to play devil’s advocate. Before all this stuff was shown, he was championing “real skin” tech. Now, he’s planting seeds of doubt in people’s heads to try and save them.

If you’re going to try and push this tech, I don’t see why you would start with the Joker. To date, all of the 1/6 figures have had sculpted necks. The character has never had an exposed seam, save for maybe the Medicom RAH one from 2009. A character like the Terminator or Robocop would make so much more sense.

They all go with Joker now because that fan base is full of zealots. It’s easy for these companies or custom artists to swindle them because that fan group will drop mad amounts of dough on anything. No risk.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Wor-Gar isn’t the entire fan base. Wor-Gar is a torturer of OCD and loves to play devil’s advocate. Before all this stuff was shown, he was championing “real skin” tech. Now, he’s planting seeds of doubt in people’s heads to try and save them.

 

[potatocorner4life]

I’m just excited to see what’s next after Joker, if they make a Reeves or Cavill Superman with the seamless movable neck now that’s a game changer. It works for joker but his character slouches a lot plus his clothing covers a lot of his neck.