Star Wars Saga (OT/PT/ST) Discussion Thread

[JAWS]

Just finished watching TLJ with my son and holy smokes that movie not only improves after each viewing it?s definitely on par with TROS at times, better than TROS at times and worse than TROS at times but one thing is certain both are better than TFA.

Another thing is certain I can EASILY sit thru them because they actually feel like real movies unlike the herculean effort it takes to sit thru those 8th grade level PT productions.

I didn?t even roll my eyes at Canto this time out lol

I like it when Luke tells Leia that no one is really ever gone then places Han’s dice in her hand.setting up his return.

I never look forward to watching TLJ but when i do watch it I am always surprised at how quickly goes by and how entertained I am by half the film.

It's better made then TFA but I like TFA better because no Haldo or Rose.

And I will always role my eyes at Canto Bight

I have not seen the ST nearly as many times as i have watched the PT so while I agree it feels more like a chore to watch most of the PT.. The ST has an unfair advantage right now.

 

[JAWS]

We've all been so spoiled by decades of fantasy/adventure films now.

Back then, this was highly innovative. People seem to forget. They think editors saved the film and other stories. At the time, to have this foresight, to be able to pull it off -- yes, with help, but still -- to push and drive people to gives us what at the time was mind-blowing. The innovative sounds. The wide effects. The ultra-fast cutting during the Death Star assault. All developed with George at the helm. I curse him too in his later days for getting greedy... but in 1976 when this was being made, George was still amazingly innovative and clearly had the foresight for something we all desperately desired.

Oh without question... George deserves so much credit..

But I was just watching what was the original cut of the film.. And IMO... No way the film is what it is today. It probably still would have been a hit.. But it would have been a very different movie.

 

[JAWS]

LOL

 

[Wor-Gar]

Of course. You couldn't make the Wizard of Oz today like that or people would laugh... it is of its time.

The problem for ANH (Star Wars) is that they keep trying to fit a near 50 year old movie into the new timelines and stand with newer movies. ANH was so far ahead of its time that it still stands fairly well, but it is still a near 50 years old movie. From a time when simple digital watches were the newest technology.

 

[JAWS]

The first video is really interesting.. Nothing new with regards to editing.. But really shows how it could have been.

 

[JAWS]

Of course one could say that Lucas was aware that it needed to be saved in the edit.. So more credit to Lucas.

 

[xipotec]

Of course one could say that Lucas was aware that it needed to be saved in the edit.. So more credit to Lucas.

90% of what came after ANH was total luck. Lucas had a lot less to do with that that any of us want to believe.


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[JAWS]

90% of what came after ANH was total luck. Lucas had a lot less to do with that that any of us want to believe.


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I just watched the first video again.. Its amazing how the editors (Mostly Lucas' wife) saved the end of the movie.. They created something that was not originally there.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Besides the fact that it was his wife, so it wasn't like it went off to some Gilroy-level editor who worked privately without Lucas' input, if you watched his interviews or seen his previous movies, editing was always very important to Lucas. And its not like Marcia went off and saved other movies.

And Lucas always wanted the finale to be very cutty -- its the only way the effects would work at the time too. He said once he wanted to see how short he could cut shots together and still have them work. At the time, that was a rapid fire ending.

 

[JAWS]

Besides the fact that it was his wife, so it wasn't like it went off to some Gilroy-level editor who worked privately without Lucas' input, if you watched his interviews or seen his previous movies, editing was always very important to Lucas. And its not like Marcia went off and saved other movies.

And Lucas always wanted the finale to be very cutty -- its the only way the effects would work at the time too. He said once he wanted to see how short he could cut shots together and still have them work. At the time, that was a rapid fire ending.

Like I said Lucas deserves Credit.. but the Death Star was not even meant to fire upon Yavin... It was created in the edit.. If Lucas had something to do with that then he also deserves the credit..


What Happened to caring about the edit in the PT

 

[Wor-Gar]

Like I said Lucas deserves Credit.. but the Death Star was not even meant to fire upon Yavin... It was created in the edit.. If Lucas had something to do with that then he also deserves the credit..


What Happened to caring about the edit in the PT

It was a great idea, adding a ticking clock, and it may well have been Marcia's idea... but its one of the lightbulb things; inspiration just happens. But I wouldn't say that idea saved the scene. Contributed to its success, yes. Created tension, yes. Made it much better, yes.

Maybe people are thinking about Verna Fields, who did have much to do with "saving" Jaws.

 

[JAWS]

It was a great idea, adding a ticking clock, and it may well have been Marcia's idea... but its one of the lightbulb things; inspiration just happens. But I wouldn't say that idea saved the scene. Contributed to its success, yes. Created tension, yes. Made it much better, yes.

I agree that the Death Star battle would have been a great spectacle.. But it also would have gotten boring.. Adding in all those additional shots of Leia and Tarkin and the count down added suspense to those films.

George did fire the original editor (who was editing in a more classic style) and then hired three more.. Much like Verna Fields with SS.. I believe they really helped Lucas and helped save the film.

Of course that can be said about most films.. As good or bad editing can save or ruin a movie.

It's nice that George knew the film needed saving.

I just wonder how much of the bad dialogue and unusual sequencing that was originally shot and edited out was by George's choice or the editors.. THE PT makes me think it was the latter.

But I could be wrong.. Maybe George had more to do with the edit then I am aware of.. American Graffiti is a well shot film.. More traditional in its edits. I don't remember THX1138.. I know I didn't really like it years ago. PT are what they are when George is left to call all the shots without a big studio.. nah.. It was the editors that saved it

Maybe people are thinking about Verna Fields, who did have much to do with "saving" Jaws.

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Oh my Verna was HUGE!!!!!!

john Williams and Verna saved JAWS.. I dont mind admitting that.. The material had to be there but yeah.. Huge.

 

[jye4ever]

My favorite part is always Farrah Fawcett the pin up hottie announcing the academy award to the editors of SW lol but Marcia Lucas doesn’t say any words to the audience only Hirsh. One of their editing competitors was Smokey and the Bandit.

Or young John Williams running down the stairs to get his oscar and being nominated for 2 movies at once CEOTK AND SW christ o mighty

 

[Wor-Gar]

An editors contribution to movie can be immeasurable, the next most important single person on a film. But he can only work with what he's given.

To me, composer is next... but some times the right composer can elevate a poorly directed and poorly edited movie to whole new levels.

Personally, I think the composer is the single most important individual on a movie and can single-handedly have the greatest impact. Directors rely on someone else's scripts (generally) and a multitude of input; editors rely on the footage given. But a composer is free to single-mindedly wander in a realm that I wish I understood better. I would have loved to become a composer.

 

[JAWS]

An editors contribution to movie can be immeasurable, the next most important single person on a film. But he can only work with what he's given.

To me, composer is next... but some times the right composer can elevate a poorly directed and poorly edited movie to whole new levels.

Personally, I think the composer is the single most important individual on a movie and can single-handedly have the greatest impact. Directors rely on someone else's scripts (generally) and a multitude of input; editors rely on the footage given. But a composer is free to single-mindedly wander in a realm that I wish I understood better. I would have loved to become a composer.

Can you think of any films that the score ruined a film?

I know I hated the original score of Legend but Even with Jerry Goldsmiths original score added back in the film is still a stinker to me.

I recently watched Near Dark again and cant stand the score and feel that ruins an otherwise great Vampire movie.

Funny enough.. Its Tangerine Dream that scored both those films.


**** Tangerine Dream

 

[ZE_501]

The first video is really interesting.. Nothing new with regards to editing.. But really shows how it could have been. [...]

Wow. I knew some of that, but had no idea the DS wasn't originally primed to fire on the rebel base. Amazing.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Can you think of any films that the score ruined a film?

You have me thinking now. Legend is a good one. I hated that score. Perfect example.

Truthfully, I can only remember scores I liked. I know there's plenty the other way around but I just can't think of one now. Thinking of bad or meh movies that had good or great scores is much easier.

For that matter, I'm trying to think of a great movie with a terrible score. That doesn't happen very often.

 

[jye4ever]

Halloween 1 was considered a boring turd before the score.

Most good movies have filler music as well and very few have memorable long lasting scores.

The Good the Bad and the Ugly even has a memorable whistle.

Cannibal Campout has a great song called IF lol

 

[TheDucky]

 

[jye4ever]

Ok that’s funny