The "All things TERMINATOR" thread.

[a-dev]

He did, and had possibly become part T-1000.

 

[jye4ever]

Yup “pops” lived he becomes an uber driver but so did Genysis’s core functionality.

 

[csutkakoma]

If it is true...than I don't know what to say. Sounds like a bad fan fiction. Congrats to make the first two movies meaningless if this is true and if it is...it just shows that Cameron does not care anymore at all.

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.php?p=16466788&postcount=2895

Spoiler:

So the movie starts off w John and Sarah sitting in a small beach bar in mexico deciding how to move on after T2. Carl the Terminator rolls up and unloads 3 shotgun blasts to little Johns chest and kills him. Sarah is knocked out by the terminator and comes to to find John dead and then it shows title and jumps to modern day. There's a title card that says Guatemala 1998. It's after Sarah's voiceover reveals that they did stop Skynet from rising, but there were other Terminators sent back to eliminate John. One just found him too late. Set in Mexico City, Grace arrives from 2042 and finds the new john connor who is the daniella character and they go on the run from the rev 9. Sarah comes and saves them on freeway and tells them she found them via gps texts she gets randomly w coordinates to terminators so she hunts them. The augmented human runs the coordinates on the text and she has the same coordinates tattooed on her body, so they go there and find arnold. He is the same t800 that killed john in the beginning. He lost his purpose after killing john so he just lived a life and developed a kind of conscience so he decided to help sarah find a purpose by texting her the coordinates. SO they all team up and kill the rev9. Big twist i guess is that skynet never existed but humans created a program called LEGION that basically became the new skynet. Judgment day happens in like 2020 something.it should be called Terminator Equal Opportunity. They even say they don't need men at one point in the movie. The classic Brad Fiedel theme isn't in it all and when Arnie opens the door in the cabin the Dun dun dun dun plays. Just bad.
Another leaker said:
All of the Terminators were sent back to kill John. They weren't sent from a new post-T2 timeline - they were all sent with Uncle Bob to different places to guarantee John's death. But when the T-800 terminates John in 1998, Skynet has already been prevented, so it's safe-guarding a future that no longer exists. The T-800 and Rev-9 re from alternate futures - The T-800 is from the same future as T1/T2, the Rev-9 from this new one with Legion. Super feminist at points in the film, but the story is well executed.
So then how the hell does Sarah have coordinates to the alternate future Rev9 if the t800 giving it to her wouldn't know anything about it? oh wait, my spider sense is tingling. What a cop out. So we have psychic t800 and a rev9 who can jump like Mario. I thought Cameron and Miller said they like their films grounded, yet we have terminators flying and sending other people flying like it's the damn Matrix.
Third leaker:
Hey, I was at the screening in Orange last night and can confirm some things if you want. I can give you some details but please dont post my name on anything as I signed an NDA and dont really want to get blackballed by my own industry Haha. I actually stayed after the screening and did a questionaire w the producers and stuff.
The leaks are true just very brief. I enjoyed the movie. This was an early cut and it had zero drag on it. 2 hrs or pure rush it was fun as hell. Some of the new characters are meh but Linda and Arnold crush it. The new character Grace is excellent as well
The only real issue I have is why the **** the new terminators look anything like the previous ones. Skynet never existed so how would this new program know how to model these things? Haha that's honestly one of my only gripes so there isnt much wrong w the film
Yeah no worries. I actually went there because I saw on an invite it said "R rated Sci fi from Major Motion Picture Studio" and I was like that has to be terminator. I was so excited
Its 100% R rated. I would say it feels similar but has more color than the other 2. Very similar look to Deadpool
And then the terminator walks up behind her as she is sitting waiting for Jon to grab her a new beer from the bar and when he turns around he shoots him. It's a really solid opening
And Sarah is phenomenal. Like that ****ing character is so well done
Feel free to share this w people if you want but please please blur out my name Haha

 

[csutkakoma]

Man once this was a great great franchise with huge potential. I remember when I waited for T3 and it was a disappointment. And from there everything just went downhill...and nobody got the future war...A third movie in 2029 by Cameron. And somehow these guys in Hollywood just don't get it. They managed to fail 3 times already...big time...and now this will be the 4. with zero creativity basically. You can tell this just by looking at the trailer. If this fails...I don't think we will ever get a chance to have something worthwhile or simply a movie at all anymore.

The funny part is in the comics and even games...they managed to write and capture what lots of people wanted to see after the second movie.
I thought I do not care anymore after 3 failures , but I hoped inside maybe this one will make a miracle. I am 34 and still...it is sad to see this story butchered by hacks over and over again...and it looks like in some way that includes the original creator too...since he has the rights and he is still letting them do this movie.

The only thing which can work a 10 part HBO series set in the original timeline in the future. But I do not see this happening.

Edit: Reviews are getting removed from Reddit and similar sites...so it looks like a legit thing.

 

[a-dev]

OK, since we're so accustomed now to being ****ed by this franchise I read that. Yeah, major spoilers for anyone who still wants to be surprised.

Spoiler:

My big question from that is - if all these other Terminators were sent back by the same Skynet that sent the 1984 T-800 and the T-1000 why didn't the resistance know about them and thus why didn't Uncle Bob know about them and thus why didn't T2 narrator Sarah know about them?

A possible get-out clause for them here is that, hey, Kyle Reese didn't seem to know about the T-1000 and Uncle Bob. T2 was a semi-retcon of T1, if you accepted that....

With the T2 retcon of T1 I've always speculated that either Kyle was only given need-to-know information OR at the time he was sent through they didn't know about the T-1000 just yet. They very soon found out about it and acted on that aswell. On the other hand, if future John has already experienced the events of T2's 1995 then he does already know about the T-1000 - yet Kyle doesn't. Thus 'need-to-know' basis.

Either way, that's how I accept T2 despite T1 telling us ''They blew the whole place.....nobody goes home, nobody else comes through. It's just him and me.''

So now Terminator Dark Fate coming in with this...old Skynet dealing a killing blow just too late to save its own hide but enough to set up a whole new timeline without John Connor. Ermm...yeah, they'd still need to explain how future John knew nothing about these other Terminators. Was there a separate facility with its own time displacement machine and an entire other batch of Terminators ready to go? I guess there's no reason that couldn't be the case. It'd have to be completely independent without any sharing of records and so on....but if that's the case how could Skynet ever fail? If there was a time displacement facility that the resistance knew nothing about and thus could not send its own protectors back - how come Skynet's only success ends up being this one T-800 who manages to kill John shortly after the events of T2? Why'd it even take that long for him to find John? Why wasn't Uncle Bob having to contend with multiple Terminators at once? Why wouldn't Skynet have also sent back multiple Terminators to 1984 to kill Sarah?

So many questions. I expect hardly any of them to be answered.

 

[a-dev]

Oh, and how could I forget

Spoiler:

The T-800 that killed John goes on to live a life and develop a conscience??

How would this happen? Aren't they supposed to be on ''read-only'' mode when sent out by Skynet? Did someone flip his switch? Is he going to have emotions now aswell? I have a bad feeling about this

 

[a-dev]

Thinking more about it

Spoiler:

Damn, that's a real Game of Thrones play to kill John like that. The same John from T2. Survives the T-1000, he's mourning Uncle Bob only to be gunned down by another one out of nowhere. Cruel for Sarah too.

 

[DiFabio]

Thinking more about it

Spoiler:

Damn, that's a real Game of Thrones play to kill John like that. The same John from T2. Survives the T-1000, he's mourning Uncle Bob only to be gunned down by another one out of nowhere. Cruel for Sarah too.

And by one that looks just like Uncle Bob no less.

The whole thing sounds stupid, which leads me to believe that it’s probably true. If I’m skynet, why stop at sending just ONE T-800 back to 1984 and ONE T-1000 back to 1995, then another T-800 to 1995. This movies sounds like the antithesis of T2 just like Genisys was the antithesis of T1.

Just spam Terminators bro. One for every year that Sarah and John age.


As corny as T2’s original unused ending was, it was a good end to the franchise. Much better than the 4 turds that followed. “Tie me grandma, Tie me” and John somehow being a senator is better than everything that’s followed.

 

[jye4ever]

The T800 will then seek out the human from where his human consciousness came from and go back in time to meet that family.

 

[a-dev]

And by one that looks just like Uncle Bob no less.

The whole thing sounds stupid, which leads me to believe that it’s probably true. If I’m skynet, why stop at sending just ONE T-800 back to 1984 and ONE T-1000 back to 1995, then another T-800 to 1995. This movies sounds like the antithesis of T2 just like Genisys was the antithesis of T1.

Just spam Terminators bro. One for every year that Sarah and John age.


As corny as T2’s original unused ending was, it was a good end to the franchise. Much better than the 4 turds that followed. “Tie me grandma, Tie me” and John somehow being a senator is better than everything that’s followed.

Frustrating isn't it.

They've got 3 options:

1) Do the proper future war - a movie length version of Cameron's original T2 beginning
2) Do nothing, leave it all well alone, accept this franchise as a two-film arc
3) Introduce yet more time travelling head-****ery with bonus Terminators we didn't previously know about

They go with option 3.

 

[DiFabio]

I don’t even care about a future war movie anymore. It’s too late for that. All these guys that worked on the original two are either too old or dead.

Would have been cool if back in 1990, there was like a three hour cut of Terminator 2 that had that original prologue opening in the future, but that just wasn’t a feasible option for blockbuster movies back then. They couldn’t even have the extended scenes they actually intended for the film due to running time. So a huge set piece like a future war with tons of special effects that takes up the first 20 mins of the film? Fat chance.

The artwork, scripts, illustrations, storyboards and our imaginations are better than anything these filmmakers could come up with today anyway.

 

[punisher1974]

Very true. A trilogy could have ended with Kyle and John in the future fighting together and the movie ending with everything ending for Skynet and Kyle and the terminators being sent back in time. Perfect loop so that nothing else came out afterwards. Nothing to water the story down anymore. Imagine the movie with Biehn back as Kyle in 93.

 

[snoop101]

Well we all knew it was going to be garbage so no surprise . Not one bit of that sounds cool.

 

[Sachiel]

"Dark Fate" is an apt description for this franchise.

 

[Khev]

Remember the T2-3D ride where Cameron had Uncle Bob telling John "come on, let's bust a move" before later facing the T-One Million? I don't know that we would have *ever* gotten a good third film, no matter when it was made or how involved Cameron was.

I think he wrote T2 to be the true finale and never had any other great ideas about what to do next. Which is fine of course, nothing wrong with a great story that ends after one or two films. It's just a pity that the whole franchise had to be dragged so severely through the mud for so many years.

 

[snoop101]

T2:3D show is amazing. Better than any of the the sequels that came after it. I wish that was the real t3.

 

[Khev]

I never did the ride but watched the footage on YouTube. It seemed silly but I'm sure it played better in person.

 

[jye4ever]

I find it to be hilarious that Cameron and the studio have decided to place blame and single out John Connor as the reason for the last 3 movies bombing.

 

[Johnny Utah]

Pro: Film is watchable and will kill time until the Mandalorian is out. We'll get a new HT Arnold.

Cons: Film is watchable. But it should be ****ing good after all the rivers of diarrhoea we've had to wade through.

 

[a-dev]

I don’t even care about a future war movie anymore. It’s too late for that. All these guys that worked on the original two are either too old or dead.

Would have been cool if back in 1990, there was like a three hour cut of Terminator 2 that had that original prologue opening in the future, but that just wasn’t a feasible option for blockbuster movies back then. They couldn’t even have the extended scenes they actually intended for the film due to running time. So a huge set piece like a future war with tons of special effects that takes up the first 20 mins of the film? Fat chance.

The artwork, scripts, illustrations, storyboards and our imaginations are better than anything these filmmakers could come up with today anyway.

Very true. A trilogy could have ended with Kyle and John in the future fighting together and the movie ending with everything ending for Skynet and Kyle and the terminators being sent back in time. Perfect loop so that nothing else came out afterwards. Nothing to water the story down anymore. Imagine the movie with Biehn back as Kyle in 93.

Yes to you both. They missed the window for one last worthwhile Terminator movie.

At least with this, if/when it fails to find an audience just like the others, Terminator will finally be allowed to rest in peace. If a Cameron-proclaimed ''real Terminator 3'' fails I don't think they'll make any further attempts.

Remember the T2-3D ride where Cameron had Uncle Bob telling John "come on, let's bust a move" before later facing the T-One Million? I don't know that we would have *ever* gotten a good third film, no matter when it was made or how involved Cameron was.

I think he wrote T2 to be the true finale and never had any other great ideas about what to do next. Which is fine of course, nothing wrong with a great story that ends after one or two films. It's just a pity that the whole franchise had to be dragged so severely through the mud for so many years.

I find it to be hilarious that Cameron and the studio have decided to place blame and single out John Connor as the reason for the last 3 movies bombing.

Did you guys read those leaks?