One's New Freddy (84 NOES)

[thenammagazine]

I have watched all the same documentaries and behind the scenes stuff as you Nam. Craven has changed his tune many times on the issue depending on the situation and decade. The original script had Krueger as a child molestor, as Craven thought it the most horrible thing imaginable, he shot that script, so Krueger is a child molestor, at the time there was a high profile molestion case in the media, so he decided to play it down as the film was finishing/edited and released. The 2010 version went back to the same source.

So your post is irrelevant.

So why did Krueger cut the fingers out of his gloves?
Back massage?

I haven't heard Craven flip-flop and we're not talking about the remake Freddy so the 2010 version, like your post is still irrelevant. And whatever the script said, it didn't make it into the final film as it was intentionally changed by the director.

The film's villain, Freddy Krueger, draws heavily from Craven's early life. One night, a young Craven saw an elderly man walking on the sidepath outside the window of his home. The man stopped to glance at a startled Craven, and then walked off. This served as the inspiration for Krueger. Initially, Fred Krueger was intended to be a child molester, but Craven eventually decided to characterize him as a child murderer to avoid being accused of exploiting a spate of highly publicized child molestation cases that occurred in California around the time of production of the film.

As for the glove:

Wes Craven claims that part of the inspiration for Freddy's infamous glove was from his cat, as he watched it claw the side of his couch one night.

In an interview he said, "Part of it was an objective goal to make the character memorable, since it seems that every character that has been successful has had some kind of unique weapon, whether it be a chain saw or a machete, etc. I was also looking for a primal fear which is embedded in the subconscious of people of all cultures. One of those is the fear of teeth being broken, which I used in my first film. Another is the claw of an animal, like a saber-toothed tiger reaching with its tremendous hooks. I transposed this into a human hand. The original script had the blades being fishing knives."

When Jim Doyle, the creator of Freddy's claw, asked Craven what he wanted, Craven responded, "It's kind of like really long fingernails, I want the glove to look like something that someone could make who has the skills of a boilermaker." Doyle explained, "Then we hunted around for knives. We picked out this bizarre-looking steak knife, we thought that this looked really cool, we thought it would look even cooler if we turned it over and used it upside down, we had to remove the back edge and put another edge on it, because we were actually using the knife upside down." Later Doyle had three duplicates of the glove made, two of which were used as stunt gloves in long shots.

I think you're putting more thought into it than Jim Doyle, the glove's creator, did. He had a bare left hand so the need to "touch" his victims with his right doesn't make sense. Besides, if you look at the patterns in the holes cut in the gloves, they line up with the brackets for the fingers, not open spaces to feel things. If the fingertips, the most sensitive parts on the hand, had been cut out of the glove, that might throw a smidgen of weight into your argument. But they're not. So whatever pedophilic fantasy you're trying to apply to it, still doesn't make any sense.

 

[Rorywan]

I haven't heard Craven flip-flop and we're not talking about the remake Freddy so the 2010 version, like your post is still irrelevant. And whatever the script said, it didn't make it into the final film as it was intentionally changed by the director.



As for the glove:


I think you're putting more thought into it than Jim Doyle, the glove's creator, did. He had a bare left hand so the need to "touch" his victims with his right doesn't make sense. Besides, if you look at the patterns in the holes cut in the gloves, they line up with the brackets for the fingers, not open spaces to feel things. If the fingertips, the most sensitive parts on the hand, had been cut out of the glove, that might throw a smidgen of weight into your argument. But they're not. So whatever pedophilic fantasy you're trying to apply to it, still doesn't make any sense.

No, you are incorrect. Do you not even know the Freddy glove? Freddy cut the leather gloves so his finger tips, finger pads and palm were free and uncovered. For touching. He left the leather where he needed to protect his skin from the joints. Jim Doyle has discussed this before. The glove was designed before the movie (obviously) and as a child molestors glove as that was the intent at the time. They only changed their PR line during filming. Englund has said this many times.

It did make it into the final film (look at the opening title sequence as freddy cuts his glove) the only thing they cut was a brief shot of freddy's bed, an old dirty mattress surrounded by kids things, where he used to take his kids. This was deemed too explicit. You can find it online. So the PR was changed not the movie, go read the script then watch the movie. Get your facts straight, before you post ____ old boy, and stop acting like a newb.

 

[thenammagazine]

No, you are incorrect. Do you not even know the Freddy glove? Freddy cut the leather gloves so his finger tips, finger pads and palm were free and uncovered. For touching. He left the leather where he needed to protect his skin from the joints. Jim Doyle has discussed this before. The glove was designed before the movie (obviously) and as a child molestors glove as that was the intent at the time. They only changed their PR line during filming. Englund has said this many times.

It did make it into the final film (look at the opening title sequence as freddy cuts his glove) the only thing they cut was a brief shot of freddy's bed, an old dirty mattress surrounded by kids things, where he used to take his kids. This was deemed too explicit. You can find it online. So the PR was changed not the movie, go read the script then watch the movie. Get your facts straight, before you post ____ old boy, and stop acting like a newb.

Do you? I have NEVER seen a Freddy prop glove with the fingertips cut off. Not on any of the props from the movies nor on any of the high-end replicas either. I don't even think they were cut off on the remake glove either.

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At 0:55 you can see the fingertips aren't cut off.

 

[Rorywan]

Do you? I have NEVER seen a Freddy prop glove with the fingertips cut out. Not on any of the props from the movies nor on any of the high-end replicas either.

[ame="https://youtu.be/1eJg2qBRtg8"]302 Found[/ame]

 

[thenammagazine]

302 Found

Thank you for proving my points. Robert says while originally it was set up, that he was changed to be just a child killer, and movie poster aside, those shots of the gloves don't have the fingertips cut off.

 

[Rorywan]

Thank you for proving my points. Robert says while originally it was set up, that he was changed to be just a child killer, and movie poster aside, those shots of the gloves don't have the fingertips cut off.

..during filming Nam.. Or do you only see and hear things that suit you. You actually have gone down in my expectations, at least be man enough to admit when you are quite obviously wrong.

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WATCH CLOSELY NOW... I CAN GIVE YOU SOME TIME-CODES IF YOU NEED?.

 

[Rorywan]

So then..wrong as usual NAM...
I suppose the opening title is wrong as well?

The fingers and palms were cut off so he could feel with his hand, both the gloves creator Doyle and the characters creator have both said this.
But of course you are right..

 

[thenammagazine]

All the FINGER TIPS are still on those gloves. And whether you're inner lust desires Freddy to be a pedo or not, it doesn't change the fact that he's just a child killer in the 1984 film. Two realities you're going to have to deal with.

Stop trolling. You have some internal issue you just can't let go of that gives you the continual urge to drag a thread I post in, down into an irrelevant flame war because like some psychotic ex girlfriend, you're incapable of letting ____ go. Trolling reported.

 

[Rorywan]

All the FINGER TIPS are still on those gloves. And whether you're inner lust desires Freddy to be a pedo or not, it doesn't change the fact that he's just a child killer in the 1984 film. Two realities you're going to have to deal with.

Stop trolling. You have some internal issue you just can't let go of that gives you the continual urge to drag a thread I post in, down into an irrelevant flame war because like some psychotic ex girlfriend, you're incapable of letting ____ go. Trolling reported.

Funny. Nam. Bad loser as well? So you try and get any part of a thread were you look bad removed. No trolling went on here. No flaming. Just you being wrong. Again.

 

[Rorywan]

Now that that's finished with. Anyone know if Ones sculpt will be up for sale. I would love one. Amazing work.

 

[Anton Phibes]

....If Freddy was a child molester in life, wouldn't he have continued that particularly filthy practice as a supernatural force with unlimited powers? Its a stupid idea. No one wants to have a pop culture horror icon who's a kiddie diddler. Except maybe someone who doesnt see anything wrong with that disgusting, perverted, and ILLEGAL activity.

I dont give a rats behind what he started out as in the script. All that matters is the film and the finished product.. I dont understand people who try to make something into something its not. If its a pornographic child molesting Freddy you are after---chase down the pos re-make.

Trying to take a character and say he or she "is" a specific characteristic based on original script treatment is absurd. If thats the case then Norman Bates is really a fat bald middle aged reprobate who drinks like a fish and calls women "_____es" ---instead of the young and unassuming Anthony Perkins portrayal. Which one do you think folks think of? Perkins.

Characters CHANGE from script vs. film all the freaking time...but its what is on film that counts.

If it wasnt, then Deckard would've been a whole different character in Blade Runner, Luke Skywalker would've wore scuba gear on his head in Star Wars and Freddy would've been a freaking pedophile. But he aint unless you like the re-make. Re-makes ar a whole other topic right now...but isnt this supposed to be a thread celebrating One's custom and not a debate on this idiotic topic?


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[thenammagazine]

He'll ignore your post because it's counterproductive to his trolling, despite the fact that it's the truth.

 

[TheObsoleteMan]

No one wants to have a pop culture horror icon who's a kiddie diddler. Except maybe someone who doesnt see anything wrong with that disgusting, perverted, and ILLEGAL activity.

As opposed to one who merely murders children? That's somehow less reprehensible?

 

[Rorywan]

If the fingertips, the most sensitive parts on the hand, had been cut out of the glove, that might throw a smidgen of weight into your argument. But they're not. So whatever pedophilic fantasy you're trying to apply to it, still doesn't make any sense.

 

[karamazov80]

So. . .Luke was originally supposed to be a child molester? It all starts to make sense when you think about it. Damn.

 

[thenammagazine]

Do you know what a fingertip is? So you stop with your ignorant trolling, the gloves pictured below have the fingertips removed. The Freddy ones, do not and have never had them removed.

 

[Rorywan]

Do you know what a fingertip is?

What? you can't see the fingertips here?

Stop trolling NAM.

If the fingertips, the most sensitive parts on the hand, had been cut out of the glove, that might throw a smidgen of weight into your argument. But they're not. So whatever pedophilic fantasy you're trying to apply to it, still doesn't make any sense.

 

[ones1customs]

Now that that's finished with. Anyone know if Ones sculpt will be up for sale. I would love one. Amazing work.

Thanks so much Rorywan Im working on them now just want to make sure there are ready to ship before they are available

 

[Rorywan]

Thanks so much Rorywan Im working on them now just want to make sure there are ready to ship before they are available

Cool man. Put me on the list when there is one!

 

[fredkrueg3r]

Wow Amazing sculpt.

Cannot wait (pun intended lol).... untill i get one of these bad boys.