Hey guys.
I edited that one long post with lots of quotes, so there are no quotes, if that helps.... >.>
https://sideshowcollectors.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10729&page=4
The Bruce Lee custom I did was not sculpted by me. It was just a custom I did with an Eric So head and I'm not selling more than 1 haha.
By the way, I think I might be seen biaist since I'm a retailer, so I'm not sure what to say.
I can't tell you the wholesale price retailers get, but its not low enough for retailers to really lower the price and still call it "business".
Like, it won't go below $200 in anyway at all.
In my opinoin, many are concerned about the quantity run because they believe that the MORE the quantity is, the MORE the quality will suffer.
Well, this is a $300 item you're talking about and no matter the quantity, you'll get a $300 worth-quality item.
COmpanies keep low quantities because the molds deteriorate or they do it to please those collectors who desire the "low quanitty-release" items.
Its not because they decide that the lower the quantity, the more attnetion they will spend on it, or the better it'll turn out.
Yet, I do agree that a large quantity release is a bit misleading and no one wnats to hear that there will be 3500 of these.
But try to affiliate the quantity number with the quality, because the price should be the factor that sets the quality.
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Anyway, I talked with Enterbay,
and I asked them about some things I'm mostly hearing on the forums, as well as some suggestions, like paint apps, the figure body,. the quantity, etc.
And the CEO replied in a very informative way and allowed me to pass on whatever he said
He explained that the PAINT JOB you saw of the prototypes seen at the SSDC convention were done to a minimal quantity.
JC hong was instructed to paint it mediocrely and that the quality of what you saw would be the MINIMUM quality of what they expect the factory to do.
They are applying a sweat-like glossy to the face and body for more realistic skin texture and tone, so you can only expect the paint job to be BETTER, not worse.
Remember, the EYES are interchangeable.
You wouldn't NEED to repaint the eyes or anything because they are like pre-made glass eyballs ready for insert and manipulation.
he said that the previous "bruce Lee Originals" Arnie had did, were actually enhanced greatly through photoshop, mainly as a concept prototype.
So , maybe some were dissapointed by pictures?
The latest prototype pics you saw on the website, were also just taken in the hotel room at SDCC . They were "snapshots" and you will see better updated pics very soon/.
He quotes: that much of the collectors would never know the differences they put into the quality they had worked to acheive :
" how much work we had
input during development to reach this price tag, like the body, head
construction, detail accessories and a wooden diorama.."
In fact, when I told him about the "triad toys" body, which is incredible in conceal joints, yet barely sacrificing articulation, he was impressed and took in all the suggestions XENOVIPER had and told me that they would look into those changes for the NEXT bruce lee version body (BL-2).[/SIZE]
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So that's that.....
I was a hardcore of arnie and Bruce Lee and that's how I became a retialer >.>, and I'm not usually a seller or much of the sort, so this retailing is more to get me involved in this Enterbay piece.
The preorder starts August 1, so email or PM if you're interested or if you just have questions. (US retailer)
I first joined this forum via Mookeylama's post and then some of my favorite discussion came out, or threads in whcih I could post some good information without looking stupid LOL.
Basically, I've been buying high cost resin figures for a while and at one point I almost cashed out the $$$ to buy Arnie's original. Yet I didn't have it haha.
So this price tag doesn't surprise me as much as the rest of you, who are use to Sideshow's brilliant prices.
but I'm liking the suggestions and dissccusions regarding this, because Enterbay was grateful to receive this kind of feedback and prooved it would be helpful.
So I just think that Enterbay is setting the bar high for THEMSELF, as to acheiving quality.
The quantity run might be a glitch or a rumor, I've only heard the estimates from Enterbay which were 3000-4000 I think.
They are also only making them available by countries.
So Asia will take more than 70% of them I think, or so I've read before.
It's not like they have this huge warehouse in Hong Kong haha.
They are sending them out to different country distributors, and Asia was priority I presume.
One of the most common phrases I hear from Enterbay or that they emphasize the most, is that ARNIE and ENTERBAY want their items to be works of ART, not toys. I'm sure that's why Arnie did not want DML to produce this initially since he was afraid it'd just become another headsculpt of the bunch.
I don't know.
And, don't hesitate to harshly criticize enterbay or make any suggestions.
I'm more of a Fan, so I see it from both point of views.
Price too high?
* Yes for most collectors. But not everyone can get their favorite car.
Plus, if quantities ever sell out, see what happened to McCoy Toys
Quantity too High?
*Don't you wish McCoy Toys had a higher quantity release?
Their Indy, etc. Basically, those figures run for over $500 now.
Will quality be effected by quantity?
* Why should they? This is one of those China deals where the Chinese sculpt for free and its for Mcdonald Kids Meals. If Enterbay fails to show fine quality, how will they be able to sell their next piece? Quantity is for the convenience of availibility. Arnie had once wanted an Indy McCoy toy, but missed it. Maybe he learned a lesson....haha
Will quality justify price?
* I don't know. If you're a fan, yes hahaha.
yet, accessories and superiority of sculpt could help
Will paint app match price?
If you're willing to pay $40 extra to get a repaint, than Yes.
Because you probably won't need one at all for this figure since they have the eyes as REALISTICAlly as possible and how else could you better paint the tones? The natural moisture skin texture and tone will be provided.
Will it be cheaper later?
because of Quantity run, maybe.
Its not going to run the same McCoy Indy cycle.
But retailers's not making a killing off of profit so I would expect anything drastic.
Avalibility shouldn't be a problem, but I really don't know about price deflation.
Why does it cost so much?
-Specially constructed body
-head construction: you can switch the hairs styles and the eyeball direction: that means 3 different molds for sure , just for the head
-detail accessories: the shoes are made of real material, lace and leather, bamboo stick, 7 hands, nunchuck, adjustable bracelet, special packaging
and a wooden diorama..
- meiticulous paint app
and its kinda like buying a $150 Hot toys figure except this one runs the extra imile with quality and a diorama.
Those are the main questions, I'm seeing.
I think I answered most...if not subtlely.
If you have any more, I'll try answering them myself or ask Enterbay.
THink of me as a representative. Why would I deny any suggestions to improve the quality, when, above all, I WANT the piece hahahaha
Your concerns are my concerns because I'm looking for the best piece possible as well. But unfortunately I don't care about $$ issue since bruce Lee is like my #1 icon hahaha
helps?