Star Wars: The Force Awakens (12/18/15)

[karamazov80]

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I agree on that one. Where does Han go from the other films? He seems to actually regress as a character from Star Wars and Empire to Jedi, becoming more bland and comfortable. Whereas Luke seems like he might go on to achieve great things.

Yeah, I didn't think CS was that bad either. I'm one of the very few out there who actually enjoyed it and rank it above LC. But in CS he was continuing the more light version of Indy from LC. In Cowboys and Aliens, I thought he was portraying what an older version of Raiders Indy would be--angry, bitter, intense, gruff.

I actually haven't seen Cowboys yet, but this has me intrigued. I might have to check it out.

 

[Mad Old Lu]

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I guess the best endorsement I can give Cowboys and Aliens is that it's not nearly as bad as people think!

But yeah, HF's performance in it was his best in years, IMO, mostly because the character was well-written and Favreau directed his performance well.

 

[Kamandi]

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Hamill had some decent acting in Empire. That movie rested more on his shoulders than the other OT films and he delivered. I hope ep7 opens some doors for him.

 

[Centurion]

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Ford wasn't very good as Han Solo in ROTJ or as Indy in Crystal Skull. He seemed annoyed and bored while phoning it in.

It wouldn't surprise me if Han Solo is a dry, crotchety old ***** in this one. We ain't never gonna see this again,

They should have killed him off in Jedi. He was great and served his purpose in the first and Empire.

As long as the Millennium Falcon lives on, I'm cool with that.

 

[meanstreak]

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I think Han is going to be as awesome as usual in this one. I didn't think he digressed at all in the OT.

 

[a-dev]

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Yeah, that's the Quacktrooper.

The Imperial Remnant still commands Quack Legions!!

 

[Something Sexy]

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An excerpt from an Expendables 3 review:

I wish I could say equally nice things about Harrison Ford, the new CIA handler for The Expendables now that Bruce Willis is too expensive for the films, but Ford is simply horrible. Ronda Rousey, who seems congenitally unable to emote, out-acts him in this film. He mumbles and grimaces his way through the movie, and it looks like he only ever actually shares a frame with Stallone and Arnold Schwarzenegger.

The last few weeks have given me more and more hope for Star Wars Episode VII but in just a few lazy scenes Ford dashed them all. Watching him sit in a helicopter cockpit, pretending to shoot down other choppers (surely intended to recall Han Solo in the Falcon) while grumbling “Drummer’s in the house,” was so tragic I had no choice but to laugh out loud. I put more effort into that laugh than Ford did in this whole film.

To be fair I hear the whole movie is awful.

 

[spindrift]

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He CAN NOT be as bad as he was in ROTJ- that performance created the term "phone in performance" He was AWFUL in most of it- a parody of his character. Hard to watch.

 

[pixletwin]

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He CAN NOT be as bad as he was in ROTJ- that performance created the term "phone in performance" He was AWFUL in most of it- a parody of his character. Hard to watch.

I never understood this position. I can't remember thinking once between 1983 and now that Harrison Ford gave a lame performance in RotJ.

 

[OSCORP]

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I never understood this position. I can't remember thinking once between 1983 and now that Harrison Ford gave a lame performance in RotJ.

Exactly! It's just a few internet folks that deemed it somehow fact. And i don't buy it for a minute. It may not be ESB quality acting but it never needed to be, and certainly wasn't "bad".

 

[a-dev]

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I find it peculiar aswell. He got free of the Carbonite and he was well on his way to getting laid by Leia - he was feeling chirpy about it hence all the quipping.

 

[Spartan Rex]

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The years, too much weed and Vodka have caught up to Indiana Solo.

 

[OSCORP]

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[pixletwin]

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Whenever I see the Falcons door I'm always going to think of Harrison Ford's little mishap.

 

[DiFabio]

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You guys are being fan boys.

It's clear Ford didn't want to be involved in '82/'83 with Jedi. Lucas even mocks him in the documentary about how Ford was keen on being killed off so he wouldn't have to participate. Just look at some of the scenes and he just seems annoyed. The "hey, it's me", being a **** on Endor, etc. he just isn't the same guy.

That's not saying that Ford sucks or that Han is a bad character, he's great in the first two. It's clear though that Ford wanted to be done with the whole Star Wars thing. He's always tried to distance himself from it. From a character stand point, he serves his purpose by being sacrificed in Empire. Once he's saved? He becomes sidelined.

 

[a-dev]

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I know he wanted to be done with it, something I learned after the fact. It doesn't effect how I view his performance in the movie though. I view his performance the same way I always did - it's fine. That's Han Solo, no less than in the previous two films.

Only in later years did I notice that people hated the ewoks but that didn't suddenly make me hate them. I don't really mind them.

 

[pixletwin]

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Making the easy criticisms seems to be far more common among the "fanboys" than giving an honest account of how I have viewed these since being 9 years old. People get jaded as they get older and adopt and internalize the opinions of others as if they were their own from the beginning. I don't know if thats the case with you, but it's something I sure seem to see a lot of among my age group.

 

[DiFabio]

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That's true, when I was a kid, even though I noticed that Han was "different" I didn't really care all that much. It was still Han to me. Still, for someone who loved Han in Star Wars and Empire and preferred him to Luke and the gang, I can't say I felt the same with Jedi. Luke is the one that becomes "the man" by that film while very one else is like a caricature of what they were before.

As a teenager and then an adult though, you do see things differently. You see the politics and yeah, you're more cynical. I can't help that. I will say I felt that way before I came across the internet so I don't think it's a hive minded thing that people just take on. It's more like "oh yeah, I feel that way too!" I always hated ewoks though, even as a kid. I didn't mind the introduction of Wicket, looking back I actually dug the interaction between him and Leia. Once they get back to the village however? It's crap. Even the kid me hated their chanting and how easily they defeated armored soldiers with laser guns and the equivalence of walking tanks. It seemed silly even to the 8 year old me.

 

[Jaycepticon]

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from Tom Hodges IG account, I'm in love already.

 

[automaton]

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