The Dark Knight Rises *SPOILERS*

[CelticPredator]

No. It IS grounded in reality.

Back to the Future is grounded in reality.

Predator is grounded in reality.

Transformers is grounded in reality.

It only means the setting of the film. Nothing more. Batman 89, and Shoemaker's flicks were not grounded in reality. They created their own stylized world.

 

[Kamandi]

What I found incredibly stupid about Nolan and Bruce secret identity is that Bruce is gone for years and is even declared dead. Then all of the sudden he comes back from the dead in Begins and begins working at Wayne Enterprises then all of the sudden at this exact time this mysterious Batman figure appears with Wayne Enterprises gadgets and a freaking Wayne Enterprises Tumbler.....

Fixed that.

In all fairness this one is a lapse in the original source material.

 

[thenammagazine]

No. It IS grounded in reality.

Back to the Future is grounded in reality.

Predator is grounded in reality.

Transformers is grounded in reality.

It only means the setting of the film. Nothing more. Batman 89, and Shoemaker's flicks were not grounded in reality. They created their own stylized world.

I disagree. Though Burton's Batman was extremely gothic, the cars were all real, some of the gadgets, the bat suit, etc. The "grounded in reality" excuse is just that, it's an excuse as to why Nolan was afraid to tackle the more fantastical elements of Batman.

 

[crows]

it just seems to me that anyone reading a newspaper would see the two headlines "Bruce Wayne back from the Dead" and then "Mysterious Batman figure brings down Falcone" would probably see the connection.

 

[greygoose]

This film is being so over analysed. It's a movie about a superhero dressed as a bat. It's not like it's The King's Speech or anything.

 

[CelticPredator]

I disagree. Though Burton's Batman was extremely gothic, the cars were all real, some of the gadgets, the bat suit, etc.

It doesn't mean things were real. It just means the world the film is set in, is the same exact world you would step out into from your home.

You can go to "Gotham" Chicago and see the same exact locations they filmed in. You can use mostly everything Batman has in his film (you're going to need some money, and someone who has it...but that's not the point. )

But the film doesn't have to stick to being realistic in it's content, because it's still a film.

The Burton universe does not exist in our world. There is no place on earth that, while still set sometime in the present, looks also like the 1940's.

 

[Voorhees27]

Was it confirmed that Bruce actually broke his back?

 

[thenammagazine]

It doesn't mean things were real. It just means the world the film is set in, is the same exact world you would step out into from your home.

You can go to "Gotham" Chicago and see the same exact locations they filmed in. You can use mostly everything Batman has in his film (you're going to need some money, and someone who has it...but that's not the point. )

But the film doesn't have to stick to being realistic in it's content, because it's still a film.

The Burton universe does not exist in our world. There is no place on earth that, while still set sometime in the present, looks also like the 1940's.

Gotham is a fictional city. Really, using a local is not much different from using a functioning set. The end result is still fictional. And you're wrong about the latter. During the cold war, there was a whole town in Russia that was running as if it were 50's America.

 

[devilof76]

Was it confirmed that Bruce actually broke his back?

Dislocated vertebra.

No. It IS grounded in reality.

Back to the Future is grounded in reality.

Predator is grounded in reality.

Transformers is grounded in reality.

It only means the setting of the film. Nothing more. Batman 89, and Shoemaker's flicks were not grounded in reality. They created their own stylized world.

Yes, but if you make up your own definitions to terms, and stand by them like an OCD speed freak with attachment issues, you can pretend that the film doesn't adhere to your equivocations. It's rhetoric, and it doesn't make sense, but it does convince the obtuse and/or dumb.

 

[SnakeDoctor]

it just seems to me that anyone reading a newspaper would see the two headlines "Bruce Wayne back from the Dead" and then "Mysterious Batman figure brings down Falcone" would probably see the connection.

Same thing happened in Superman Returns.

Eh.

SnakeDoc

 

[ZaCHw117]

The rope is initially used to lower prisoners into the prison. Not meant to have prisoners try to climb up. LOL at people in this thread who overlook such easy details.

Also, the hook for the rope isn't at the top. Therefore a hook above wouldn't do anything more but take away slack from the rope. (They us it so they don't die when trying to jump, not for climbing purposes.)

 

[Kamandi]

Was it confirmed that Bruce actually broke his back?

No, it was just confirmed that his feelings were hurt. He's been in a delicate place since the start of the movie.

What he really needed was some chocolate and a bubble bath.

 

[devilof76]

Like all who come from privilege.

 

[CelticPredator]

Gotham is a fictional city. Really, using a local is not much different from using a functioning set. The end result is still fictional. And you're wrong about the latter. During the cold war, there was a whole town in Russia that was running as if it were 50's America.

That's fine about the latter.

But regardless....the reality in Nolan's world, is the reality in our world. Simple as that.

The reality in Back to the Future was the same 1985 that really existed.

 

[thenammagazine]

The rope is initially used to lower prisoners into the prison. Not meant to have prisoners try to climb up. LOL at people in this thread who overlook such details.

If it was used to "lower" prisoners into the prison, how did Wayne climb out with it? Once he reaches the edge, he drops it over for the others to climb out (further reinforcing my point about him not caring about thieves, rapists and murderers so long as they're not organized).

 

[devilof76]

Wait, this was one of them fiction movies?

I'll be damned...

 

[K07]

it just seems to me that anyone reading a newspaper would see the two headlines "Bruce Wayne back from the Dead" and then "Mysterious Batman figure brings down Falcone" would probably see the connection.

You've said this several times. I highly doubt it'd be that easy. Think of ALL the news in a city that supposedly contains 30 million people that would be published over the course of a month or so. Think of all the national and world news that gets published over the course of a month or so. Now imagine if some bimbo playboy billionaire (with the integrity of those fine ladies Kim Kardashian and Paris Hilton) had moved into a city and in the same month, some mysterious masked vigilante had started taking out mob leaders and drug dealers. A mysterious/masked man that is rarely seen and blown out of proportion by the criminal underworld and made into a mythical monster. You would immediately suspect some bimbo celeb gossip magazine coverboy to be that vigilante? I sure as heck wouldn't.

And as for the connection between WE tech being used, the only thing that would be noticeable to some people would be the Tumbler. No one sees any of the other gadgets Bruce uses up close. And how many people would know about some shelved military project? The developers, yes. But they don't appear to work at WE anymore or at least in Gotham City. And even if they did, so Batman uses WE gadgets. So what? So did Bane. He stole them. Batman could have done the same and Fox could have reported a security breach. Not hard to suspend disbelief. But if you'd rather pick apart a COMIC BOOK movie, be my guest.

 

[ZaCHw117]

If it was used to "lower" prisoners into the prison, how did Wayne climb out with it? Once he reaches the edge, he drops it over for the others to climb out (further reinforcing my point about him not caring about thieves, rapists and murderers so long as they're not organized).

That's a different rope entirely.

 

[thenammagazine]

You've said this several times. I highly doubt it'd be that easy. Think of ALL the news in a city that supposedly contains 30 million people that would be published over the course of a month or so. Think of all the national and world news that gets published over the course of a month or so. Now imagine if some bimbo playboy billionaire (with the integrity of those fine ladies Kim Kardashian and Paris Hilton) had moved into a city and in the same month, some mysterious masked vigilante had started taking out mob leaders and drug dealers. A mysterious/masked man that is rarely seen and blown out of proportion by the criminal underworld and made into a mythical monster. You would immediately suspect some bimbo celeb gossip magazine coverboy to be that vigilante? I sure as heck wouldn't.

And as for the connection between WE tech being used, the only thing that would be noticeable to some people would be the Tumbler. No one sees any of the other gadgets Bruce uses up close. And how many people would know about some shelved military project? The developers, yes. But they don't appear to work at WE anymore or at least in Gotham City. And even if they did, so Batman uses WE gadgets. So what? So did Bane. He stole them. Batman could have done the same and Fox could have reported a security breach. Not hard to suspend disbelief. But if you'd rather pick apart a COMIC BOOK movie, be my guest.

You don't think the tabloids would be reporting the hell out of Wayne being back? Those next to a paper reporting Batman being back at a newsstand, supermarket rack, etc., would be obvious to anybody with eyes to see them.

 

[Voorhees27]

Dislocated vertebra.

So broken then. I suppose the likelihood of a speedy recovery applies only in the movies then