Obamas tax plan

[The Josh]

That is, quite possibly, the most terrifying video I have ever witnessed. I fear that our nation may be lost.

No less terrifying than that video of those people going to a McCain rally saying those things about Obama, the lies going around about him in emails, or people saying they should hang/shoot him. Works both ways ya know.

 

[ProgMatinee]

Was that your classroom?

 

[RoboDad]

No less terrifying than that video of those people going to a McCain rally saying those things about Obama, the lies going around about him in emails, or people saying they should hang/shoot him. Works both ways ya know.

Indeed it does. The problem though, is that the loonies who do the things you describe are not mainstream, they are a relatively small fringe. Remember, in those videos we only see the people the "reporter" wants us to see, not the much larger group of people who didn't say nutty things (since that wouldn't be "newsworthy"). The "Obama's gonna save us" video, on the other hand shows a level of religious worship that is far more dangerous in the long term, and my fear is that it is far more widespread than the loudmouths at the McCain rallies. Will these people start clamoring for the repeal of the 22nd amendment? I wouldn't put it past them.

I look at it this way. The nutcases have been around in every election, saying (and doing) stupid things. But when was the last time there was an organized children's choir singing praises to a political figure (not about ideas or principles, or even the nation, but directly to him) in this country? I've never seen anything like that before. At least, not here.

 

[barbelith]

Your head so far up some left wing/socialist professor's ass you don't even know which direction is up anymore. The only myth here is that you're capable of posting comment's that are well thought out and intelligent.

I know you have to resort to this sort of thing since you can't structure a fact-based argument, but both things I wrote are true. I don't know anybody who idolizes Obama and there is a media study showing that coverage of Obama is more negative than coverage of McCain.

 

[ProgMatinee]

I can imagine a few of my old Californian public school teachers trying to get me to write something about the greatness of Obama and how he's going to rescue the human race from itself.

 

[barbelith]

Remember, in those videos we only see the people the "reporter" wants us to see, not the much larger group of people who didn't say nutty things (since that wouldn't be "newsworthy").

It's not nearly as Orwellian as you imply. Public death threats against a presidential candidate in front of another presidential candidate is newsworthy no matter how fast you spin.

That video with the kid is creepy, in a Jesus Camp kind of way.

 

[creature4000]

anti-christ come to mind.

 

[devilof76]

I don't know anybody who idolizes Obama...

How anecdotal of you.

 

[Spartan Rex]

3 weeks is a long time and I do honestly believe this still race is closer than most think right now, but certainly you're not poo-poo'ing Obama's chances?

Obama is a bigger fool then I first thought if he thinks the election is a done deal.
The polls are tightening again and the economic angst is easing as the stock market regains lost ground.
Why McCain suffered in polls since the crisis started is perplexing. Most political wonks dont have a good answer for that. Especially when even the most cursory look at the mess and how it came about shows the dems were in it up too there eyeballs. Not a partisan dig, just a fact. Im disappointed that most voters dont do the homework required to be an informed electorate. You ever see those quizzes Jay Leno gives to passerby's on the street on the Tonight show?
Guess what they vote as well

 

[Spartan Rex]

It's not nearly as Orwellian as you imply. Public death threats against a presidential candidate in front of another presidential candidate is newsworthy no matter how fast you spin.

When did this happen?

 

[barbelith]

Obama is a bigger fool then I first thought if he thinks the election is a done deal.

Has he said he thinks the election is a done deal, or are you just projecting again?

The polls are tightening again and the economic angst is easing as the stock market regains lost ground.

The economic angst has little to do with the stock market.

Why McCain suffered in polls since the crisis started is perplexing.

Partly because this is seen as a problem caused by Wall Street and deregulation, both traditionally associated with Republicans. And partly because of his erratic behavior since this crisis came to the fore.

 

[devilof76]

Spartan, someone thinks you need your nits picked.

I'm glad the economic angst has nothing to do with the stock markets. That way, it will have no effect on them. But wait...

It's ironic that all of the so called 'deregulation' (which was more like re-regulation, having very little to do with a heightened respect for property rights, and having more to do with run-of-the-mill interventionist pragmatism) started during the 90's.

 

[Spartan Rex]

Originally Posted by Spartan Rex
Obama is a bigger fool then I first thought if he thinks the election is a done deal.

Has he said he thinks the election is a done deal, or are you just projecting again?

Did you miss the key word "if" in the middle of my sentence in your rush to type a not so witty retort?

The polls are tightening again and the economic angst is easing as the stock market regains lost ground.
The economic angst has little to do with the stock market.

I refer you to devilof76's salient comeback

Why McCain suffered in polls since the crisis started is perplexing.
Partly because this is seen as a problem caused by Wall Street and deregulation, both traditionally associated with Republicans. And partly because of his erratic behavior since this crisis came to the fore.

You missed your calling as a talking head on CNBC next to Olbermann, you could feed each others pathological hatred of all things "right".

 

[Spartan Rex]

It's not nearly as Orwellian as you imply. Public death threats against a presidential candidate in front of another presidential candidate is newsworthy no matter how fast you spin.

Secret service didnt hear threat
The alleged threat was made when Palin was speaking of Obama's relations with former 1960s radical Bill Ayers, whose group "The Weathermen" carried out a series of attacks in protest against the Vietnam War.

"We take every threat very seriously. Every time we receive or are reported information like that, we follow up," said Secret Service spokesman Ed Donovan.

However, he cautioned that at the McCain rally, "no Secret Service agent overheard any threatening statement and no threatening statements were reported by law enforcement or the general public."

"We did make some inquiries after the Washington Post reported on Tuesday that a someone had yelled 'kill him,'" he added.

Donovan said it wasn't clear whether the threat was actually said or, if so, if it was meant for Obama or even Ayers, both of whose names were uttered by Palin at that moment in her speech.

For those reasons, he added, the investigation was dropped.

 

[The Josh]

Indeed it does. The problem though, is that the loonies who do the things you describe are not mainstream, they are a relatively small fringe. Remember, in those videos we only see the people the "reporter" wants us to see, not the much larger group of people who didn't say nutty things (since that wouldn't be "newsworthy"). The "Obama's gonna save us" video, on the other hand shows a level of religious worship that is far more dangerous in the long term, and my fear is that it is far more widespread than the loudmouths at the McCain rallies. Will these people start clamoring for the repeal of the 22nd amendment? I wouldn't put it past them.

I look at it this way. The nutcases have been around in every election, saying (and doing) stupid things. But when was the last time there was an organized children's choir singing praises to a political figure (not about ideas or principles, or even the nation, but directly to him) in this country? I've never seen anything like that before. At least, not here.

They may not be mainstream but those loonies are the ones that are far more dangerous than the people who love Obama. These loonies are the type that could possibly shoot and kill him. If they're willing to say those things and think them then I can't trust them not to do that.

If they start clamoring to repeal the 22nd its no different than the Republicans wanting to do the same when Regan was in the White House.

 

[ProgMatinee]

A lot of bad things come out of claims to "love". PETA is a good example of what some people will do.

Nobody is trying to protect crazy people making threats, but lets not pretend that there is no such thing as militant liberals.

 

[RoboDad]

They may not be mainstream but those loonies are the ones that are far more dangerous than the people who love Obama. These loonies are the type that could possibly shoot and kill him. If they're willing to say those things and think them then I can't trust them not to do that.

Well, while I understand (and share) your concern on some level, I don't think any of these jokers could succeed in such a plot. The changes in security that protect presidents, especially since the John Hinckley attempt on Reagan, and even more important, 9/11, lead me to believe that he would be reasonably safe from such an attempt (even if any of those people did seriously consider it, which I doubt).

If they start clamoring to repeal the 22nd its no different than the Republicans wanting to do the same when Regan was in the White House.

Sorry, but what are you referring to? I was around (and an adult) during Reagan's presidency, and there was never any discussion of repealing the 22nd amendment, at least none that I ever heard of. Reagan did go on record in saying that he believed it to be a bad amendment (including after he left office), but he also stated categorically that he would never have sought a third term, even if one had been available to him.

 

[The Josh]

A lot of bad things come out of claims to "love". PETA is a good example of what some people will do.

Nobody is trying to protect crazy people making threats, but lets not pretend that there is no such thing as militant liberals.

Of course there are. I'm not saying there isn't but if PETA is the best example you got that shows you the difference.

 

[ProgMatinee]

I think its safe to assume that anyone with a serious plan to assassinate someone wouldn't be screaming it at the opponents rally and bring suspicion on them.

 

[Spartan Rex]

No for your "LIVE" buddy Josh?