J.J. Abrams' Star Trek Into Darkness

[FQRizzo]

I must not have watched the same movie as everyone else. I thought this movie was a mess and the first one was much better. Please note that my opinion has nothing to do with new trek vs old trek.

 

[Enthus]

Fantastic movie. I can't wait to see what Abrams can do with VII now that he has proven himself with Trek twice.

 

[guyverfan]

Thought it was a very enjoyable movie overall....Benedict did a great job as the villain.

 

[ZaCHw117]

Benedict was AWESOME.

 

[Loki]

Thought it was a very enjoyable movie overall....Benedict did a great job as the villain.

Benedict was AWESOME.

I loved Cumberbatch. He was so intimidating. Definitely one of my favourite aspects of the movie.

 

[JonWes]

Cumberbatch would be an amazing Doctor Doom... but he'd need a decent Fantastic Four movie to be in. I'm glad the rest of the world is being exposed to his awesomeness, after becoming a fan of his thanks to Sherlock.

 

[Loki]

Cumberbatch would be an amazing Doctor Doom... but he'd need a decent Fantastic Four movie to be in. I'm glad the rest of the world is being exposed to his awesomeness, after becoming a fan of his thanks to Sherlock.

I've never watched Sherlock. After watching this movie, though, I'm gonna have to check it out, because he can really act.

 

[CelticPredator]

Spoiler:

Khanberbatch

 

[Adolfo]

Smaugerbatch in 6 1/2 months

 

[DarthNeil]

I really enjoyed this one--- every crew member had their own moment to shine, Pine did an even better job of capturing Kirk without it degenerating into a Shatner caricature (and I thought he was fantastic in the first one), I loved the twists and things being presented

Spoiler:

Khan-- some lines/situations just have to happen even if roles get reversed

... It makes me excited for what he'll do with Star Wars.

 

[jedibear]

Well...saw it last night...some quick thoughts (beware...thar might be spoilers ahead...)

I liked it about as much as I liked the last one. That one hasn't held up well in subsequent viewings....and I don't think this one will either. Actually, this one wasn't holding up for me while watching it this first time...

It gets off to a decent start and jets along okay...that is until what we old-timers would call "the final reel". Then this thing completely falls apart and doesn't recover. The WTF moments just start hitting one after another until the movie just sputters out.

And that's too bad...JJ put together a really good looking production, some good action set-pieces and once again the cast rises to the occasion with one glaring exception (and I'm gonna get some heat for this one)...

Cumberbatch was AWFUL...almost unwatchable. He never strikes the right chord here...he's neither intense or campy, he's not convincing with the action (mainly fight scenes) and just comes across as a bad actor. It wasn't the character (or who the character was)....I actually liked how the character was handled here in the story and how he was brought into this "alternate timeline" and all....Cumberbatch was just the wrong choice here....Abrams went for "trendy", trying for a "Loki"-like villain when that is not what the K guy is at all...

As I mention above, JJ puts on a good (not great) show here...if this movie shows me one thing, it's that he'll make a darned pretty looking SW movie....I just thank the stars his usual staff of crayon-welding "Mab-Lib" playing guys are NOT writing it, and that's a relief....

Now Paramount needs to find somebody else to move "Trek" forward...Abrams got it off to a good start, but it would be good to see some original stories as this incarnation sets out on that "five year mission"....

 

[Rorywan]

Well this old timer loved it, loved the Khan flip, most of it in fact.
Although I still can't abide Peggs dial in comedy routine and his ridiculous oyster shell head dwarf assistant.

 

[FQRizzo]

My thoughts/issues with the movie:

Spoiler:

1) Why the hell would the guy blow up the Starfleet archives after his kid was cured? Cure the kid then notify Starfleet.

2) Khans magic blood

3) Khan was never as clever / impressive as they made him out to be. He was a physical badass, but we really didn't get to see his 'superior intellect'. When he surrendered I thought it would be all part of his plan and he would steal the Enterprise like in 'Space Seed', but that never even came close to happening.

4) Robocop didn't do any thing for me.

5) Was Carol's only purpose in the movie to be in her bra and panties in that one scene? It seems like if you deleted her from the movie entirely, there would be very little impact.

6) The radiation chamber role reversal: I appreciate what they did there but the whole time I kept thinking about Khan's magic healing blood and it diffused the impact.

7) Why did they have to capture Kahn alive at the end? They had 70-some other genetic supermen with magic blood. They even thawed one out to put Kirk in.

8) Why did they beam down 2 people to get Khan? Why was one of them Uhura? Send down twenty people. Also why couldn't they lock onto Khan and beam him up when they beamed up moving targets in the first movie? I understand transporters and warp drives are all plot devices, but they really stretched it in this movie.

9) The Enterprise: It was just a big punching bag the whole movie.

10) The 3D: It was good in the action shots, but a lot of the movie is extreme close-ups of the actors' faces.

11) So they have Kirk get demoted in the beginning of the movie just to have him get assigned as first officer. Then two minutes later, Pike dies and Kirk is Captain again. Okaaaay....

 

[JAWS]

I am with you in that I am not as bif og a fan as many here. Just thought I would add my thoughts after yours ----------

My thoughts/issues with the movie:

Spoiler:

1) Why the hell would the guy blow up the Starfleet archives after his kid was cured? Cure the kid then notify Starfleet. -------I guess Khan could say "If I don't see the archives blow then I will kill your wife and daughter"

2) Khans magic blood. ----- I did not hate that but yes it ruined any sort of drama as you knew what was coming.

3) Khan was never as clever / impressive as they made him out to be. He was a physical badass, but we really didn't get to see his 'superior intellect'. When he surrendered I thought it would be all part of his plan and he would steal the Enterprise like in 'Space Seed', but that never even came close to happening. -------To be honest he was not all that cleaver in TWOK. I don't remember Space Seed well enough to remember much about his advance intellect.

4) Robocop didn't do any thing for me. ------Agree 100% As soon as he asked Kirk to deliver the torpedo attack I knew that he was the bad guy and unfortunately he was not a very good bad guy.

5) Was Carol's only purpose in the movie to be in her bra and panties in that one scene? It seems like if you deleted her from the movie entirely, there would be very little impact. -------Carol Marcus' role did sort of suck. She was cool in TWOK. On the other hand I am not complaining about Bra and panties

6) The radiation chamber role reversal: I appreciate what they did there but the whole time I kept thinking about Khan's magic healing blood and it diffused the impact. -------Personally I hated this. HATED IT. It meant something in TWOK. Kirk and Spock had been friends for years. There was a history. In this one they had only know each other for like what...a year? Also TWOK had the ***** to actually kill him and not bring him back. Due to the magic blood everyone and the mother knew that this death meant nothing.

7) Why did they have to capture Kahn alive at the end? They had 70-some other genetic supermen with magic blood. They even thawed one out to put Kirk in. That was my question. --------I guess that since Khan's Blood was proven they wanted to use him. Perhaps the others did not have magic blood.

8) Why did they beam down 2 people to get Khan? Why was one of them Uhura? Send down twenty people. Also why couldn't they lock onto Khan and beam him up when they beamed up moving targets in the first movie? I understand transporters and warp drives are all plot devices, but they really stretched it in this movie.-------- Lots of questions you asked that did not bother me. To be honest I sort of checked out of this film as soon as Spock yelled "Khaaaaaaaaann!!

9) The Enterprise: It was just a big punching bag the whole movie. ------ YES!!! That drove me crazy!!!! I hated that!!!

10) The 3D: It was good in the action shots, but a lot of the movie is extreme close-ups of the actors' faces. ----- Saw it in 2D. I hate 3D

11) So they have Kirk get demoted in the beginning of the movie just to have him get assigned as first officer. Then two minutes later, Pike dies and Kirk is Captain again. Okaaaay.... -------Ahhhh who cares about all of that

 

[JAWS]

I must not have watched the same movie as everyone else. I thought this movie was a mess and the first one was much better. Please note that my opinion has nothing to do with new trek vs old trek.

Here is what I said a few pages back.

Spoiler:

This is HAS SPOILRS so STAY AWAY if you don't want to know about the film.


Let me start off by saying that I am not a die hard Trek fan. I love the original cast, show and movies but I hate TNG and could care less about any of the other shows.

I also really Enjoyed JJ Abrams first ST film.

Having said that my feelings about the new ST film was that of disappointment. It is a well made film with some fun moments but it lacked the important character moments that is so important to the ST universe. Basically it's a ***** to the wall action film and that left me feeling empty.

I though the first film did a great job of giving us a fresh spin on introducing to us again the entire crew of the USS Enterprise. It did a nice job of giving us a new ST universe while being respectful of the old. Making us aware of how important these relationships are.

The new film is too focused on the action and does not build ion the relationship of these characters. Even though these are the same characters that we have seen in the show and films they are still "new" in a sense that we are being introduced to a slightly alternate version of them.

Having said that, I don't "feel" the friendship/bod between Spock and Kirk. Why do they like each other?? They could barley tolerate each other in the first film and things did not seem to change much since then. Spock still pisses Kirk off and actually stabs him in the back. Now while this may be true to the Spock character it really does not show why they would think of each other as friends.

I guess what I am saying is that I did not get the feeling that this crew was close. The film could have helped with that by letting us see quieter moments with them. But it's so busy being an action film that we never really get to se some great interaction between them.

I also thought that it was pretty easy to guess how everything in the film was going to play out 15 min before anything happened. JJ is good at keeping his secrets before his movie came out but he telegraphs everything I his films far to much so that surprises are not surprises. Now I stayed away from reading anything about this film so I really went into it with no "guessing" about any secrets but I could sill see things coming a mile away.


Kirk used as a pawn to start a war and weller is the bad guy saw that as soon as kirk was given a mission.
Khan - yep
Kirk and Spock switch roles in the saving of the ship - yep
Khans blood used to save Kirk - yep


I don't know if I would say this is a bad thing but after the fact that the character relationships are kind of dull, all that we are left with is the story and it's surprises. So it sort of failed there also.

I hated the twist on the "Ship out of danger" stuff.

Spocks death in II meant something because we new and loved these characters. You loved the relationship between Kirk and Spock. You knew there was years of friendship and love between these two men. The film also had the ***** to end on Spock's death. You were not sure if you would ever see him again.

You know Kirk is not going to die and you don't have any feeling for the bond between Spock and kirk. Again all Spock is to Kirk is a pain in the A$$ and Kirk was ...... Well I am not sure what he was to Spock.

Was I supposed to laugh at Spock's screaming of "Khan" ?? Because I sure did.

I am a bit tired of Spock ACTION STAR! I know why they are doing it with the Alternate universe Spock being effected by his planet being destroyed but now everyone on the ship is an Action star. Spock was always the one who used his mind to solve problems. I miss that.

I also did not like "original" Spock showing up to be the "Oh there he is again" cameo. He served no purpose other then to explain a little more what Khan was (did not need it) and to be asked how to defeat him (never told). It was pointless. And as far as Original Spock being worried to tell new Spock anything in fear of messing with time.. Well that moment seems to have left as everything in this Universe is all upside down so original Spock should get over it and just tell the crew of the Enterprise everything there is to tell since it no longer seems to matter.

I still love everyone who is cast in the roles of the crew and I think that Chris Pine makes a great young Kirk.

I loved the return of Khan and loved the actor who played him. I basically enjoyed the twist on his story for the most part.

Again not a bad movie just not really a Star Trek movie. Someone here said it best when they said JJ Abrams will be perfect for the SW films. I basically agree with that but I do hope he spends a bit more time developing the characters.

I would give the film 6 out of 10.

 

[Matt S]

I am an original fan, and really enjoyed this one. Sputtering out, plot holes, use of Transwarp technology arguments hold little water for this fan. To quote Shat, "Its just a show" and enjoyed the heck out of it as such.

Some, and this is just my thoughts on the matter, seem to have had unrealistically high expections, or just have a hard time separating classic trek from new trek. Either way, it has no bearing on my personal enjoyment of this Abramsverse.

 

[Niltusk]

I am an original fan, and really enjoyed this one. Sputtering out, plot holes, use of Transwarp technology arguments hold little water for this fan. To quote Shat, "Its just a show" and enjoyed the heck out of it as such.

Some, and this is just my thoughts on the matter, seem to have had unrealistically high expections, or just have a hard time separating classic trek from new trek. Either way, it has no bearing on my personal enjoyment of this Abramsverse.

 

[FQRizzo]

I'm not some ST super-fan, but I wouldn't want it to become Bay's Transformers because I like turning my brain off.

 

[Niltusk]

I'm not some ST super-fan, but I wouldn't want it to become Bay's Transformers because I like turning my brain off.

w0rd

 

[FQRizzo]

w0rd

Because Star Trek .