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Re: IT: Chapter 2 (September 6th, 2019)

So many weird choices based on her review. Really troubling ! I hole the scare set pieces really carry the movie. I?m actually seeing this in 4d so maybe that will help me stay awake haha


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Re: IT: Chapter 2 (September 6th, 2019)

Well this movie was very odd and missed many marks. But at the same time it was thoroughly entertaining and had great set pieces. Just not put together well enough. Many wtf moments. I think it had better penny wise attack scenes though. Lots of cgi scares.


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Re: IT: Chapter 2 (September 6th, 2019)

Yeah. It definitely wasn't boring. And truthfully the actors had me so engaged that I didn't feel the bear 3 hour length. However, there were many repetitive scenes and bits that could have been cut. Also, lots of logic stuff. But all in all, entertaining. The adults did an amazing job of capturing their young counterparts... you really felt like they had grown up into the stars that play them.

A good editor could have gotten this down to an amazing 2 hours and it would be a great movie, not just good.

Loosing most of the "bike" and the "hideout" alone would go a long way to tightening this up.
 
Re: IT: Chapter 2 (September 6th, 2019)

I had a fun time with the movie. Didn't feel the long runtime like others have. A lot of great character moments. Enjoyed all the performances by the adult actors. Especially Bill Hayder. I love how much stuff from the book they were able to cram in the movie lol I actually wanted more!
 
Re: IT: Chapter 2 (September 6th, 2019)

I thought it was ok. I don?t mind long movies but I was not all that engaged. I did not think it was as good as the first. Killer demon / space clowns going after kids is creepy.... Going after adults, not so much. I know it?s how the book is but that is the weakness of the novel also.

I agree that there is Not enough pennywise in clown form... But perhaps I would not feel that way if the film was shorter... would have been easy also. There is a character in it that really serves no purpose and had the taken him out it would have shaved off 15 to 20 min easily.

Humor did not work as well for me in this film as the first one.... IMO it felt more out of place at times. First film had humor but again I think that worked better because it was about kids. Film had an R rated goosebumps feel so the humor fit better.

Cast was very good though and there are some cool Pennywise moments.

6 out of 10 for me.
 
Re: IT: Chapter 2 (September 6th, 2019)

I really enjoyed "It: Chapter Two". The movie serves up more of the campy horror, comedy and character moments that made "It" so great, despite not being as slick as the 2017 film.

The scare moments in this movie were very fun, and I really enjoyed what almost felt like an unreleased Pennywise highlights reel as each member of the Loser's Club recalls previously unseen encounters with It from their childhood, before meeting It once again as adults. I liked that a lot, even when not every scare sequence quite flowed into the overall narrative as seamlessly as the scares did in the first film.

The casting, like the first movie, is great. You genuinely felt that James McAvoy, Jessica Chastain, Bill Hader, Isaiah Mustafa, Jay Ryan, James Ransone and Andy Bean were all grown up versions of the kids we saw in "It". Whilst a little fractured at first (understandable considering these characters haven't seen each other in 27 years, and never as adults), the cast do develop chemistry as the movie progresses and we get some, but not many, very nice individual and also group character moments. In particular, the ending of the film is very moving and emotional indeed.

Bill Skarsg?rd as Pennywise is, of course, wonderful, and is surely now one of the most iconic characters in cinematic history. Iconic as *****.

Overall, I had a good time watching "It: Chapter Two", and am looking forward to watching again. The "It" duology of films, when put together, make for one of the best and most memorable instances of modern horror moviemaking.

7/10
 
Re: IT: Chapter 2 (September 6th, 2019)

and I really enjoyed what almost felt like an unreleased Pennywise highlights reel as each member of the Loser's Club recalls previously unseen encounters with It from their childhood, before meeting It once again as adults. I liked that a lot, even when not every scare sequence quite flowed into the overall narrative as seamlessly as the scares did in the first film.

Interesting that you put it that way... As that is how I felt.. It felt like deleted scenes from the first film.. Add to that that we know nothing is going to happen since they are just flashbacks and we know our characters survive.. You end up with just what you said. A deleted scene highlight real.

But what are deleted scenes most of the time? Scenes that were not good enough to make the final cut.. :(

Don't get me wrong they weren't bad by any means... Just kinda "Been here done that"

The whole film just felt like a retread of the first film..

(Spoilers.. Kind of... For those who never saw the original movie or read the book... )

Pennywise is stalking main characters.. Main characters decide they have to stop him, Main characters go to haunted house.... Main Characters fight him in the pit.... Main characters win

It felt like what so many inferior sequels feels like, Bigger but not better.

Again not a bad film... I blame the source material more then anything. But the film makers could have made a much better film by editing down to a more digestible 2 hours and 10 min film like the first movie.
 
Re: IT: Chapter 2 (September 6th, 2019)

Interesting that you put it that way... As that is how I felt.. It felt like deleted scenes from the first film.. Add to that that we know nothing is going to happen since they are just flashbacks and we know our characters survive.. You end up with just what you said. A deleted scene highlight real.

But what are deleted scenes most of the time? Scenes that were not good enough to make the final cut.. :(

Don't get me wrong they weren't bad by any means... Just kinda "Been here done that"

The whole film just felt like a retread of the first film..

(Spoilers.. Kind of... For those who never saw the original movie or read the book... )

Pennywise is stalking main characters.. Main characters decide they have to stop him, Main characters go to haunted house.... Main Characters fight him in the pit.... Main characters win

It felt like what so many inferior sequels feels like, Bigger but not better.

Again not a bad film... I blame the source material more then anything. But the film makers could have made a much better film by editing down to a more digestible 2 hours and 10 min film like the first movie.

Even with knowing that the characters were going to survive their childhood encounters with It, I still found these scenes thoroughly enjoyable. When I watch horror or thrillers, having a good spooky scenario set up is part of the fun, rather than simply death or risk of death.

To me, the setting of each scenario, the circumstances for each character, and the build up to and eventual encounter with It were what I enjoyed, rather than the threat of death. That is, after all, part of It's character; to scare and inspire fear and feast upon it, rather than always going for a quick kill. He's taunts and torments our characters. I think they are superb little campy horror sequences, particularly Ben's childhood encounter with It at the school, Eddie's childhood encounter with It at the Pharmacy, and Bev's adult encounter with It at her father's old apartment.

I certainly wouldn't say I viewed these as "deleted scenes" per se; rather very good sequences that just happen to have not been shot for the first film. I think these scenes would have fit right into "It" had they been part of original shooting for the first film.
 
Re: IT: Chapter 2 (September 6th, 2019)

I just saw the film.

The Good

The adult cast was good for the most part. No one was bad, but the adult fat kid was forgettable and Jessica Chastain doesn't look or act like the younger version. Bill Hader as Ritchie was good and so was James Ransone as Eddie. He was actually perfect. Adult evil mullet kid was also good. Bill Skarsg?rd is the heart (;)) of the film and franchise.

Speaking of which, Pennywise is the best part of the film when he's on screen as the clown. He looks and sounds awesome. He seemed to have become a bit more proficient at killing little kids by coming across as sympathetic and friendly. The special effects were pretty good, and Pennywise's final form is a major improvement over the 1990 version. It was smart to leave him as a clown while retaining the spider motif. I like how the clown and spider shapes were almost like a puppet that the lights...or that big v a g i n a looking thing was using as a weapon.

The ending was satisfying, which is funny because there was running joke in the film about bad endings, so that worked out pretty well. The mullet kid's friend driving the car was also cool, but I wish they had done more with those two characters. Other than Penny, every time they would show up, things got interesting and gave the movie a shot of adrenaline.

I didn't mind the flashbacks, some weren't needed. I didn't mind the 3 hour running time despite not having the villains in it as much as I would've liked.

The Bad

The Brokeback Mountain opening with the same sex couple. Completely pointless, other than I guess showing that Pennywise doesn't discriminate and he's "progressive."

The black guy was kind of given the Winston role, except he was overacting a bit. Also, how the hell did he find all those phone numbers? He had not seen these guys in 27 years, and he's got their cellphone numbers. Some of those guys were even famous. :lol I could buy if he found them using social media or something, but he was calling them at home and at work like he never lost contact. They didn't even remember his ass. That was dumb.

The lack of Pennywise was noticeable, but even more obvious by the fact that he didn't have any truly memorable or iconic moments like in the firt film. His final form might be the most memorable thing. I can see Neca toys and Funko making that toy when it's no longer consider a spoiler. In addition, they cut some Pennywise scenes that were in the trailer like the one where he's on the side of a building. Hopefully they include those in the DVD. His body count was once again small for an iconic movie horror villain.

Most of the adult cast isn't that interesting. They're not bad, but the film slows down a bit much when it focuses on Bill, Beverly and Ben. The love triangle just doesn't work. The end result was fine, but overall I was not invested in any of them getting together.

What was Ritchie's "big" secret? Pennywise said he knew his secret. Was Ritchie gay too? That scene happened right after he was called gay by mullet kid, so that was confusing.

Overall

Not a good film. Not a bad film. The first chapter was better, so less is better I guess. Like others have said, it didn't need to be 3 hours, and focusing on each character and giving them each a flashback scene probably made the film longer than it needed to be, especially when only two of the adults were the stand out, and it wasn't Bill and Beverly. For a horror film, it's not bad when compared to most mediocre 80's and 90's horror movies or those Blumhouse movies. I like it enough to watch it from time to time when the film is on tv. It's a good background film to play because it's so long and you can always leave it on until the cool scenes come on. It's much better than the 1990 movie. I can't recommend the film to anyone, unless they really like the first film or love Pennywise.
 
Re: IT: Chapter 2 (September 6th, 2019)

I just saw the film.

The Good
It was smart to leave him as a clown while retaining the spider motif. I like how the clown and spider shapes were almost like a puppet that the lights...or that big v a g i n a looking thing was using as a weapon.

Really agree with these two observations... Good choices and it looked cool also.

Bill Hader as Ritchie was good and so was James Ransone as Eddie. He was actually perfect.
I really like James Ransone. Thought he was good in this. Loved him in the Sinister movies also. He was the villain in a Western film and did that part well also. He and Hader were the best part for sure.

The mullet kid's friend driving the car was also cool, but I wish they had done more with those two characters. Other than Penny, every time they would show up, things got interesting and gave the movie a shot of adrenaline.

Yeah.. If more was done with them it would have helped as mullet head is a good side villain... But there was really no need whatsoever for his character.. Not one.. Just there to show that Pennywise still had control over him. The lack of a stronger story for that character ended up hurting the film IMO as it just padded the run time.


The Bad

The Brokeback Mountain opening with the same sex couple. Completely pointless, other than I guess showing that Pennywise doesn't discriminate and he's "progressive."

I guess Hollywood just had to make sure to preach at us just once in the film :lol

I thought for sure the 4 creeps would make an appearance latter.. Thought they would turn out to be Mullet heads cousins or something.. Nope. I agree.. Completely pointless.

The black guy was kind of given the Winston role, except he was overacting a bit. Also, how the hell did he find all those phone numbers? He had not seen these guys in 27 years, and he's got their cellphone numbers. Some of those guys were even famous. :lol I could buy if he found them using social media or something, but he was calling them at home and at work like he never lost contact. They didn't even remember his ass. That was dumb.

The phone issue was in the first tv movie also and I believe in the book.. Silly for sure.

The lack of Pennywise was noticeable, but even more obvious by the fact that he didn't have any truly memorable or iconic moments like in the firt film. His final form might be the most memorable thing. I can see Neca toys and Funko making that toy when it's no longer consider a spoiler. In addition, they cut some Pennywise scenes that were in the trailer like the one where he's on the side of a building. Hopefully they include those in the DVD. His body count was once again small for an iconic movie horror villain.

The scene under the baseball stands was the best Pennywise moment.. Of course its a redo of the Georgie death.. Good stuff though.

What was Ritchie's "big" secret? Pennywise said he knew his secret. Was Ritchie gay too? That scene happened right after he was called gay by mullet kid, so that was confusing.

Yes he was gay... He was carving R + E in the wood at the end. Basically showing Richie + Eddie

Overall

For a horror film, it's not bad when compared to most mediocre 80's and 90's horror movies or those Blumhouse movies.

Stop busting on those 80's horror films.. Especially when it give an exact shot and line tribute to one of them :lol

I like it enough to watch it from time to time when the film is on tv. It's a good background film to play because it's so long and you can always leave it on until the cool scenes come on. It's much better than the 1990 movie. I can't recommend the film to anyone, unless they really like the first film or love Pennywise

Its a million times better then the TV movie. But that is not saying much as that has always been trash IMO.

If you love the first film then just prepare yourself that this film is not as good. But it has the same feel and look and Pennywise the clown when on screen is fantastic.
 
Re: IT: Chapter 2 (September 6th, 2019)

Wait you put PW and the adult cast in both your Good and Bad make up your damn mind shorty lol


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Re: IT: Chapter 2 (September 6th, 2019)

Even with knowing that the characters were going to survive their childhood encounters with It, I still found these scenes thoroughly enjoyable. When I watch horror or thrillers, having a good spooky scenario set up is part of the fun, rather than simply death or risk of death.

I might be a bit to hard on the scenes.. I think while watching them I was enjoying them enough. It was after the film was over that I felt like they were kind of a waste of time. Especially since the first film did everything so much better.. The old Lady scene was pretty great though.

To me, the setting of each scenario, the circumstances for each character, and the build up to and eventual encounter with It were what I enjoyed, rather than the threat of death. That is, after all, part of It's character; to scare and inspire fear and feast upon it, rather than always going for a quick kill. He's taunts and torments our characters. I think they are superb little campy horror sequences, particularly Ben's childhood encounter with It at the school, Eddie's childhood encounter with It at the Pharmacy, and Bev's adult encounter with It at her father's old apartment.
I think they were a tad too campy for me at times.. Much of the film was. The film started to have a Nightmare on Elm Street feel (the sequels) which I just was not in love with.

I certainly wouldn't say I viewed these as "deleted scenes" per se; rather very good sequences that just happen to have not been shot for the first film. I think these scenes would have fit right into "It" had they been part of original shooting for the first film

Like I said I may have been a bit too hard on them.. But other then the old Lady scene I didn't think any of them lived up to the happenings in the first film.
 
Re: IT: Chapter 2 (September 6th, 2019)

For the record.. I am not a huge fan of the first film.. Its enjoyable enough but I am not in love with it as many others are.

Having said that, obviously from my posts above I did like the 1st better then chapter 2.

I really hate the original TV movie.

So take all that for what its worth :lol
 
Re: IT: Chapter 2 (September 6th, 2019)

I like the original film. It's bad, but I like it. They showed the trailer for Christopher Nolan's new film Tenet. Underwhelming and what a bad choice for the lead role.

As far as IT goes, the film doesn't have much of a story really. Most of it is flashbacks covering the same fears they already faced in the previous films and the characters threating to leave only to go back to their Ghostbusters headquarter to ask their friends for an update. :lol

So Ritchie is gay now. Huh, not a hint of it in the first film (other than maybe overcompensating by always talking about sex with women) and they just drop that in this film? You know the plot of the film is thin when Ritchie's secret that they just came up with is more interesting than Pennywise's origin story. I think a better opening for the film would have been Pennywise's arrival and first ever kill over the Brokeback opening, then cut to the black guy waking up from one of his Native American acid trips only to find a red ballon floating and the words "Come Home" in blood inside his apartment. Then he uses social media to contact his rich loser friends. The guy really took the "loser" gimmick literally. All his friends became famous or super rich, and he is still in the crappy town with the same haircut he had in 1989. :lol
 
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