The Dark Knight Rises *SPOILERS*

[Voorhees27]

I'm not sure "soften him" is what she did

Soft always comes after the hard. Unless you're adding boner drugs.

 

[Platty]

Don't act like you're not impressed

 

[Voorhees27]

It's an optical illusion.

 

[Platty]

Oh this is embarrassing.

 

[thenammagazine]

Oh this is embarrassing.

Why? I hear it happens to lots of guys.

 

[Platty]

What? Were you saying something? Look, you know I don't speak Spanish.

 

[The Josh]

By that vein, I wouldn't hold her any lower than Joker or Scarecrow from the films, given she actually accomplished more than either.

Can't say I agree. Lamest villain of this series and IMO one of the lame things about this last movie.

But as a viewer you haven't invested anything into her as a villain. You've spent the whole thing focussed on Bane whose been built up rather convincingly as an invincible beast....and then she takes over. As a viewer I thought 'wait....no, I don't care about you, Bane is the big bad dammit!!'

Pretty much. You could tell something was coming with her character which I guess I found lame. Her character seemed too good to be honest and then they use her to totally denut Bane.

 

[thenammagazine]

Can't say I agree. Lamest villain of this series and IMO one of the lame things about this last movie.

How did Scarecrow or Joker accomplish more than Talia?

 

[K07]

Hrm...

Ra's
Joker
Bane
Talia
Scarecrow
Two-Face
Falcone
Maroni

Talia is awesome. I was so happy she showed up. I'd given up hope that Miranda was her by that point of the film. And like Void said, with repeated viewings and KNOWING she's a villain, her words and actions are all villainous.

I also don't see Bane as a weak thug in her employ or whipped lover boy. He was the mastermind of the whole scheme. Of course it was Talia's desire to destroy Gotham and make Bruce suffer, but Bane was the one to do both of those things. I also love the way Bane dies. It took giant guns from the Batpod to take him down. Batman defeated him, Talia's reveal is the only thing that made him get back on his feet to try to kill Batman again. Also, Catwoman owed him for saving her life earlier.

 

[The Josh]

How did Scarecrow or Joker accomplish more than Talia?

Scarecrow and her are close I suppose. He was the one who helped set up ra's attempt at the end. As far as the joker I don't think it's close at all. He united the mob bosses, created anarchy in Gotham, and destroyed Harvey Dent/Batman. That IMO is a lot more than talia. Bane does all her dirty work.

 

[thenammagazine]

Scarecrow and her are close I suppose. He was the one who helped set up ra's attempt at the end. As far as the joker I don't think it's close at all. He united the mob bosses, created anarchy in Gotham, and destroyed Harvey Dent/Batman. That IMO is a lot more than talia. Bane does all her dirty work.

She convinced Ducard to go back to the prison and rescue Bane, so anything Bane did, ultimately, she's responsible for since she created him. I can understand not liking her because it discredits Bane's origin, but you have to give credit where it's due.

 

[Voorhees27]

She convinced Ducard to go back to the prison and rescue Bane, so anything Bane did, ultimately, she's responsible for since she created him. I can understand not liking her because it discredits Bane's origin, but you have to give credit where it's due.

She really was an excellent surprise villain. One that held a ton of influence and power, that's forsure.

It's just her death though, damn if her death wasn't some corny SNL ____ right there

 

[thenammagazine]

She really was an excellent surprise villain. One that held a ton of influence and power, that's forsure.

It's just her death though, damn if her death wasn't some corny SNL ____ right there

Both hers and Bane's deaths were lame.

 

[jye4ever]

Coulson death > Talia death

 

[Voorhees27]

Both hers and Bane's deaths were lame.

100% agreed. Bane went from gorilla monster to _____ cat. Aside from that the entire film was fantastic.

 

[thenammagazine]

Coulson death > Talia death

This is inspirational!

 

[intothevoid]

Coulson death > Talia death

I have to agree here

Talia's was one of the worst acted deaths in recent memory

 

[cokebabies]

Yeah, Coulson died with his eyes open, and just slipped away. Much more convincing.

 

[jye4ever]

This is inspirational!

As far as acting goes, Coulson gave better death.

As far as story goes, Coulson wins again at the emotional level.

We knew him longer (multiple films) and he wasn't on a suicide mission.

Talia we knew as a villain for only 10 minutes, and she wanted to die.

Coulson 1
Talia 0

 

[daikkenaurora]

Coulson death > Talia death

Agreed. Too bad he had to die. Talia's death was meh.