Terminator Salvation, T-700 or T-800???? Can we clear this up!

[darren1228]

I'd have to agree, Mc'kie did not do a good job but even worse the story was weak. It was a decent movie but its amazing to think how much better it could have been with a better director and story.

Yup. The movie also had a lot of distracting cuts....several scenes could definitely have been transitioned better.

 

[Platty]

It was definitely different.

 

[agent_85]

Where you are pointing out

It seems to have a deltoid plate and extra cables going to it. Plus there looks to be some enhacement to the upper arm that makes it look a bit more like muscle even in endo mode

for those who haven't seen the movie I'll put the explanation in a spoiler box.

Spoiler

The T-800 has molten metal poured on it, it then manages to break free leaving patches of residual metal.

 

[SilentSurfer]

Take the blinders off for a sec. These aren't the shots after the molten metal. It has new deltoid plates and at least two large cables running from the torso into the plates. How can you not see that? You know what the original endo looked like, right?

 

[agent_85]

Oh right, well that's me told . You've obviously researched this much more than I have. I dunno why they are there, maybe because the film lacked a bit of polish, if you know what I mean.

 

[David22Lee]

Take the blinders off for a sec. These aren't the shots after the molten metal. It has new deltoid plates and at least two large cables running from the torso into the plates. How can you not see that? You know what the original endo looked like, right?

Those are good comparison pics...the T-800 Endo in Salvation is definitely very different. Almost like a beefed up version of the original.

 

[dalekidea]

this is kinda confusing because throughout the factory scene john is going on about them being t 800s

 

[David22Lee]

this is kinda confusing because throughout the factory scene john is going on about them being t 800s

What's even more confusing is that the Endos in the background here are like the ones from T2 (without the extra pieces/cables)....

 

[A.L.I.E.N]

Maybe the Endo in TS was like a prototype version of the normal T2 endo.

 

[SilentSurfer]

We are all trying to make sense out of something that the movie makers broke. They seemingly changed their minds on what was what and what to call everything as they went along. Bottom line is that McG was incompetent to handle this project and Martin Laing was no Stan Winston. They came up with things with the rationale of "Hey, you know what people will think is cool..." instead of regarding the story bible and not f'ing with canon material. They didn't do any research by watching T1 to find out what the future was supposed to be like, and just made up their own 'gritty' vision of it.

The reason we all debate it is because it doesn't make sense, and we know it.

 

[-=LoneWolf=-]

here's how i see it:

the T-700 did not exist in the film. only in conceptual stages as a model transitioning from the 600 to 800 in terms of design. and that model name got stuck with the toys as a marketing gimmick after they decided to scrap it from the film.

all the factory endos you see in the film should logically be T-800s. with arnie the only one completed with human flesh. that was the whole point of the film from the beginning anyway... discover the T-800 project, stumble upon the factory, blow it up.

the next most logical explanation is written on HT's T-700 box: that the 700s are mass troops (likely never given human flesh), not infiltration units like the 800s. this would be interesting, except i don't see why they need to manufacture 700s (which don't seem to have been put into battle at all) if they already have the 800 up and running. unless skynet's low on budget

yeah... sue me

 

[-=LoneWolf=-]

and some cool pics of the T-800 just because...

 

[mariomart]

The way I see it, a lot of the extra "bits" seen in these shots can be attributed to burnt tendons and flesh that have yet to be removed. The deltoid plate could be just there as an under skin forming plate to round off the skin and still being kept in place by unburnt tissue and flesh.

For all those that say they did not see any "active" T-700's in the movie may I draw your attention to the opening scene where the chopper lands on an endo and then Conner shoots it in the head, that was a T-700.

Cheers Mario

 

[FACEBOX]

The way I see it, a lot of the extra "bits" seen in these shots can be attributed to burnt tendons and flesh that have yet to be removed. The deltoid plate could be just there as an under skin forming plate to round off the skin and still being kept in place by unburnt tissue and flesh.

For all those that say they did not see any "active" T-700's in the movie may I draw your attention to the opening scene where the chopper lands on an endo and then Conner shoots it in the head, that was a T-700.

Cheers Mario

I can see what you're saying and agree with you to a degree.
The plate...OK, maybe you're right. But as you can see in the pictures, this T-800 has extra hoses running from the chest into it's upper arms. That's not supposed to be there?

2nd, you seem really sure about this, but I'm sorry to say that that was NOT a t-700 in the beginning sequence. It was actually a downed T-600.

 

[Mikey2Bullets]

I can see what you're saying and agree with you to a degree.
The plate...OK, maybe you're right. But as you can see in the pictures, this T-800 has extra hoses running from the chest into it's upper arms. That's not supposed to be there?

2nd, you seem really sure about this, but I'm sorry to say that that was NOT a t-700 in the beginning sequence. It was actually a downed T-600.

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[SilentSurfer]

the next most logical explanation is written on HT's T-700 box: that the 700s are mass troops (likely never given human flesh), not infiltration units like the 800s.

Let me stop you right there, and refer you to the source material, James Cameron's original movie, The Terminator. Eveything the makers of TS needed to know about 600s is in what Kyle says.

"The Terminator’s an infiltration unit (not a soldier, not a motorcycle, not a tank, but an infiltrator). Part man, part machine. Underneath it’s a hyper alloy combat chasis. Micro processor controlled. Fully armored. Very tough. But outside it’s living, human tissue. Flesh, skin, hair, blood, grown for the cyborgs. The 600 series had rubber skin (this is the only mentioned difference, but everything already described must still apply); we spotted them easy (because their skin didn't look real enough, perhaps it looked more like a 1:1 scale Hot Toys muscle body, not because they were huge and wore rubber masks). But these are new; they look human (not because of more human proportions, but because of the following description). Sweat, bad breath, everything. Very hard to spot. I had to wait til he moved on you before I could zero him.”

So that settles the argument on McG's 600s, but it also suggests that the only difference between 600s and 800s is the skin, so there really was no 700s at all. In both of Cameron's movies, the progression of Terminators is even numbered: 600-800-1000. We're not supposed to have 700s, or even 900s, or Cameron probably would have mentioned it somehow in either script. At least McG realized that before the movie was released and even changed it himself.

For all those that say they did not see any "active" T-700's in the movie may I draw your attention to the opening scene where the chopper lands on an endo and then Conner shoots it in the head, that was a T-700.

Cheers Mario

It was a 600. Take a look at the skull of your own exibit 'A' more closely.

 

[FACEBOX]

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Huh?

 

[-=LoneWolf=-]

maybe it was all just a silly typo

 

[darren1228]

Bottom line is that McG was incompetent to handle this project and Martin Laing was no Stan Winston. They came up with things with the rationale of "Hey, you know what people will think is cool..." instead of regarding the story bible and not f'ing with canon material. They didn't do any research by watching T1 to find out what the future was supposed to be like, and just made up their own 'gritty' vision of it.

The reason we all debate it is because it doesn't make sense, and we know it.

The world just isn't fair....McG screws up the movie and gets his own HT figure

 

[mariomart]

It was a 600. Take a look at the skull of your own exibit 'A' more closely.

Unfortunately I haven't received my T-700 order yet. I was just going off info from another site. Obviously I'm wrong and I stand corrected.

I'm a newb in the art of collecting and so far I've only got 2 NECA 18" Endo's, the Horrid Blu Ray Endo skull and the re-issued die-cast Aoshima 12" T-800 (Silver Edition). I've also got the T-600 fleshless on pre-order and waiting for the T-700.

I'm hoping to pick up a heap of tips on this forum and I hope not to step on any toes along the way

Cheers Mario