DarthBakura
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I think Anne is gorgeous. Certainly a better attraction for Bale than Katie or Maggie. >.>
The Dark Knight Rises *SPOILERS*
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Though technically true, I'm pretty sure Earth-1 Batman had a brief tryst with Jimmy Olson Giant Turtle Man.
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But the two are not equal. The pain of Bruce ≠ emo Parker with a new haircut.
The anguish of Bruce was well played in TDKR. Bale potrayed him in a way, that made the audience care for him. He never goes really emo. Even in his lowest moments of despair You can see genuine worry for the fate of Gotham and the consequences of his actions, rather than pointless self-pity. The nice thing about Bale in TDKR, is that despite Batman's short screen time and the fact that the story centers around either a broken or resigned Wayne, the impression of Bruce that I took from the movie was that of a man driven.
Also, saying that he went into hiding just becouse his girlfriend got blown up is selling it short I think. It's about this character's whole mental status. Batman was never normal. Bruce in Nolan's trilogy is a guy who was so unstable and changed by one event in his life, that he travelled the whole world and started to fight crime dressed as a flying rodent, rather than just go to therapy like any sane man. I think by time of TDKR the whole thing just took too much out of him. Joker didn't just kill his girl, he showed him what can happen when You take on the real baddies. Batman and Joker dueling it out in TDK didn't just affect the pair, but the whole city. Joker and the fate of Dent, showed him what concequences his little dress up adventure can have. Rachel's death was just the catalyst.
Nolan clearly shows that this obsession is taking a heavy toll on the man and his mental health. He sacraficed his life and happines for this crazy folly. And this is a great theme, that gives the character that tragic vibe.
I personally like the "never ending war on crime" take, but considering all that's been shown of Wayne over the course of the three films, I find the rest and reward that Bruce is given, very fitting
And it's not like he changed his haircut and started acting like a ******(Parker). The whole, bearded, brooding, crossbow-shooting, cane walking, crazy recluse stalking and haunting the corridors of Wayne Manor is a very cool image(in some ways fitting to the character of Bruce Wayne, who was always a moody, brooding bastard). The only real complaint I have about this is that Nolan should have made Batman be active for a little while longer, after TDK. Two or three years would be enough.
Batman in other portrayals is a stoic monolith. It's a cool take, but the whole "humanisation" of Wayne in Nolan movies, makes the character all the more compelling and his journey throughout the three films more impressive, without making him look weak. Especialy since it's still the furious, growling, bone-breaking, face-elbowing Batman we love. And even tough technically Bruce has been Batman for just over a year, when You look back at the trilogy, the things he's been through and the things he's done are quite impressive. I must say I like him better this way.
The emo bit of spidey was ridiculous by comparison. There was nothing tragic or interesting about that potrayal. Just silliness.
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Boba Ben
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Gazelles aren't ugly animals. They just have long faces.
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Though technically true, I'm pretty sure Earth-1 Batman had a brief tryst with Jimmy Olson Giant Turtle Man.
What a ripoff. He doesn't even have a shell or rocket propulsion powers.
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Yeah, I get that, but,
"Endure, Master Wayne. Take it. They'll hate you for it, but that's the point of Batman, he can be the outcast. He can make the choice that no one else can make, the right choice"
"Perhaps both Bruce and Mr. Dent believe that Batman stands for something more important than a terrorist's whims, even if everyone hates him for it."
"That's the sacrifice he's making, to not be a hero, to be something more."
Bruce Wayne can't accomplish the same good that Batman can, and vice versa.
Alfred's out of line and out of character in TDKR. He knows that the League of Shadows is involved with the city, he knows that the city and police can't handle it (and they can't) without Batman's help. They couldn't do it in Batman Begins, why would he expect that now?
Not once in this trilogy does Bruce/Batman ever come to the realization that he can do great things as Batman AND as Bruce Wayne. It's either one or the other, or none at all. That's sort of disappointing that we never got a Bruce Wayne that could come to terms with it all and be a philanthropist Bruce Wayne during the day and a crime fighting vigilante at night.
He has been a hermit, a prisoner, a crime fighter, a playboy etc. but he never found a way to juggle them all and by the end of it, he's not even Bruce Wayne or Batman anymore. He's let everyone else take the reigns.
What about all my other points? THAT AIN'T FAIR.
TELL HIM JYE!
Boba Ben
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Went again to see this movie---for some odd reason really enjoyed it a lot more.
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He fixed the autopilot thingie.
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I just got around to seeing it tonight. Got back from the theatre a few minutes ago. Overall pretty solid film, but the ending blew me away.
However being the nitpicky guy I am, one major element kept standing out to me. Namely, the leg brace. The film seemed to go out of its way to showcase Bruce's need for the thing early on and demonstrate how ridiculously powerful it was by showing him kick through a brick wall, and yet the thing which could have come in handy later never reappeared.
I kept wondering why Bruce didn't try kicking Bane during that fight in the sewer, or why in the Prison he didnt make climb the wall easily by kicking out a bunch of footholds for himself (if Bane took it off him, he should have been limping)?
However being the nitpicky guy I am, one major element kept standing out to me. Namely, the leg brace. The film seemed to go out of its way to showcase Bruce's need for the thing early on and demonstrate how ridiculously powerful it was by showing him kick through a brick wall, and yet the thing which could have come in handy later never reappeared.
I kept wondering why Bruce didn't try kicking Bane during that fight in the sewer, or why in the Prison he didnt make climb the wall easily by kicking out a bunch of footholds for himself (if Bane took it off him, he should have been limping)?
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This is very interesting...
For weeks after the shootings in Aurora, Colorado, industry executives and the media alike avoided talking too much about how the tragedy affected the box office for The Dark Knight Rises, the movie that was playing when James Holmes opened fire in a crowded movie theater. But as we move on from the event, and Holmes's monstrous act gets further separated from the film itself, those keeping an eye on The Dark Knight Rises can't help but notice that the movie, while massive, just can't keep pace with its predecessor. And now, finally, Warner Bros. has made the connection they've avoided for so long.
When asked whether the shooting has affected the grosses for The Dark Knight Rises, Warner Bros. executive Jeff Goldstein told E! "there's no question about it." As of today The Dark Knight Rises has grossed $354 million domestically, and by hitting $350 million in just 17 days it's the third-fastest film to reach that landmark-- but The Dark Knight was second, doing it in 14 days. Box Office Mojo keeps track of a ton of stats like this, and in nearly all of them, The Dark Knight is ahead of its sequel-- it holds the record for non-opening Tuesday gross, for example, and has the third-highest second weekend, while The Dark Knight Rises comes in just 8th on that list.
You can blame a lot of factors when a sequel doesn't perform as well as its predecessor, and there's no denying that fan enthusiasm for The Dark Knight Rises is more muted than it was last time. But the clearest evidence of how Aurora has affected American moviegoers comes from looking at the international box office; The Dark Knight Rises has made $378 million overseas, while according to E!, The Dark Knight had made $210 million internationally at this point in its release. Everywhere else in the world, The Dark Knight Rises is performing like a normal sequel, far outstripping the movie that came before it. But in America, it seems clear that moviegoers are still a little hesitant, and no matter how much they may be interested in the new Batman film, the lingering shadow of the Aurora shootings seems to be keeping them at home.
For weeks after the shootings in Aurora, Colorado, industry executives and the media alike avoided talking too much about how the tragedy affected the box office for The Dark Knight Rises, the movie that was playing when James Holmes opened fire in a crowded movie theater. But as we move on from the event, and Holmes's monstrous act gets further separated from the film itself, those keeping an eye on The Dark Knight Rises can't help but notice that the movie, while massive, just can't keep pace with its predecessor. And now, finally, Warner Bros. has made the connection they've avoided for so long.
When asked whether the shooting has affected the grosses for The Dark Knight Rises, Warner Bros. executive Jeff Goldstein told E! "there's no question about it." As of today The Dark Knight Rises has grossed $354 million domestically, and by hitting $350 million in just 17 days it's the third-fastest film to reach that landmark-- but The Dark Knight was second, doing it in 14 days. Box Office Mojo keeps track of a ton of stats like this, and in nearly all of them, The Dark Knight is ahead of its sequel-- it holds the record for non-opening Tuesday gross, for example, and has the third-highest second weekend, while The Dark Knight Rises comes in just 8th on that list.
You can blame a lot of factors when a sequel doesn't perform as well as its predecessor, and there's no denying that fan enthusiasm for The Dark Knight Rises is more muted than it was last time. But the clearest evidence of how Aurora has affected American moviegoers comes from looking at the international box office; The Dark Knight Rises has made $378 million overseas, while according to E!, The Dark Knight had made $210 million internationally at this point in its release. Everywhere else in the world, The Dark Knight Rises is performing like a normal sequel, far outstripping the movie that came before it. But in America, it seems clear that moviegoers are still a little hesitant, and no matter how much they may be interested in the new Batman film, the lingering shadow of the Aurora shootings seems to be keeping them at home.
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Nam, pay the man will ya
Well, he prefers pounds, so figure out which part of your midsection the first pound's gonna come from...
Because god forbid they have to go to the shareholders and tell them the movie itself isn't as great as it's predecessor.
Just look at what's going on here. Even the more hardcore Nolan fans are agreeing it's not as good as TDK. Hell, there was even a poll here proving that (though I'm not sure where it went). At best, TDKR is for the most part entertaining. At the worst, it's flawed and has gaping plotholes. TDK's dense nature and ADD was downplayed by great performances. TDKR didn't have that luxury, and many are seeing that.
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DarthBakura
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A lot of people don't seem to understand this and it always puzzles me. I often find myself on the verge of a nerdy lecture whenever someone I know starts talking about Batman like he's just your average joe, mentally.
Batman is a very troubled and disturbed human being... on SO many levels. His goals may be noble, but he's just as ____ed up as the Joker. He really is the polar opposite of the Clown Prince of Crime. They share the same distorted and scarred coin. Batman just happens to represent the "good side."
Some people say Natalie Portman has a long neck too. Meh, whatever. They're both smokin' hot.
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8 years had past since he'd given Bruce that speech. "Know your limits master Wayne," would be the more suitable quote for the times. He's been out of the game and it would be much easier to come back as Bruce and try to emulate Thomas than it would be to take up the Bat mantle again.
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A lot of people don't seem to understand this and it always puzzles me. I often find myself on the verge of nerdy lecture whenever someone I know starts talking about Batman like he's just your average joe, mentally.
Batman is a very troubled and disturbed human being... on SO many levels. His goals may be noble, but he's just as ____ed up as the Joker. He really is the polar opposite of the Clown Prince of Crime. They share the same distorted and scarred coin. Batman just happens to represent the "good side."
Some people say Natalie Portman has a long neck too. Meh, whatever. They're both smokin' hot.
Mmmm Natalie Portman
She's always been my favorite.
Boba Ben
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Is that the Grandpa man from Heidi?
What Bakra says is all the more reason that Batman shouldn't have turned into what Alfred portrayed him to be. He's ultimately driven to overcome obstacles, beyond what would drive a normal human being. He only sat out the 8 years or whatever because, in his mind, he really wasn't needed. When he came back, in my opinion, he really wanted to defeat Bane and make Gotham safe for democracy, etc.
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I think the article is overstating the effect of the shootings if I'm honest
I think overseas was always going to be greater this time because Nolans profile in the past 4 yrs has gone sky high and add to that the massive following TDK has built overseas once it came out on DVD (many many fans internationals never saw TDK in theatres).
Also add to that much quicker income growth in the far east relative to the US last 4 yrs
I think overseas was always going to be greater this time because Nolans profile in the past 4 yrs has gone sky high and add to that the massive following TDK has built overseas once it came out on DVD (many many fans internationals never saw TDK in theatres).
Also add to that much quicker income growth in the far east relative to the US last 4 yrs
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I agree with most of this and I definitely think The Dark Knight Rises/Bruce is above Spider-Man 3/Peter Parker.
However, when I mentioned Spider-Man 3 and the Dark Knight Rises, I meant the level of emotion and crying. Not literally emo Peter Parker and that douchey hair cut and attitude. The purpose of that post was that the creators and story writers want the audience to respond by responding for them and to me it feels forced. I love Michael Caine but, he, that stuff with him was making me gag. I was looking at my hand and wondering if I should choose two fingers or my fist.
I mean like the crying between MJ and Peter. The crying between Sandman and Spider-Man. The emotional scenes with Peter and Harry. All that stuff. "HERE, LOOK AT THEM, THEY'RE CRYING, THIS IS EMOTIONAL, IT'S THE THIRD FILM, THIS IS SAD BRO".
Sounds like excuses to me. I do t mean this to teash the movie because i do like it. However, The movie theater last Friday was as packed around here as normal. Didn't notice any difference the week after. As I've said I'm sure areas around there in Colorado were really hurt by it but nationwide I don't think so.
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