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I'm in the minority on this board for this opinion, but I'll say it again, emo is not the same as gothic
Thank you. I was a part of the Goth scene when I was much younger and 'emo' didn't even exist back then. The music is wildly different, and while style trends changed and maybe blur together eventually, the only superficial similarities with the original Goth scene and emo were the colour black, a little make-up, and maybe a few accessories.

There were aspects to the old scene that would make emo kids pee their poorly fitting pants.
 

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Surely you've seen this old panel a thousand times?

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People shouldn't conflate Goth emo Romance-novel style with true Gothic horror like Dracula/Frankenstein. Modern vampires really ****ed up Gothic for everyone.

It probably began with Stoker when he popularised the modern vampire as a suave and sophisticated count. A hundred years later they got sparkly too.

Vampires in Romanian folklore were more base and outwardly monstrous.



Batman conforms to the Stoker type: a sophisticated creature of the night capable of appearing as a monster. While he broods in his 'castle' he's making plans and taking action, rather than moping like an emo teenager. lol
 

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That was one aspect or subset of the broader scene. It wasn't nearly as cookie cutter as people make it out to be.
Sure, but old school Gothic had more in common with Twilight than Bloodborne.

People shouldn't conflate Goth emo Romance-novel style with true Gothic horror like Dracula/Frankenstein. Modern vampires really ****ed up Gothic for everyone.
Both Dracula & Frankenstein are filled with sappy romanticism and brooding. About 80% of what Frankenstein does in the book is go on tangents about how much he loves his family. In Dracula the entire book is about how great Lucy is, and then Lucy's simps going on fetch quests. All those books were heavily "schlocky" in the romance aspect. It was never a genre about B-Horror tier monsters and 'atmosphere'. Dracula's about 1/3rd the repeat of Dracula draining Lucy, Van Helsing and her simps giving her blood, talking about how great she is, and then repeating it over and over again for near 100 pages. Frankenstein specifically is a very emotional book, period. I think the idea of those novels has won over their actual content.
 

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Sure, but old school Gothic had more in common with Twilight than Bloodborne.
From what little I've seen of Twilight I still contend that's a stretch; I grew up in that scene. Twilight vampires and werewolves have more in common with faeries in the mythic sense. I don't know what Bloodborne is.
Both Dracula & Frankenstein are filled with [...]
It's been many years since I read either. You may be right on that count. The myths have been distorted and revised a thousand times with modern retelling.
 

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From what little I've seen of Twilight I still contend that's a stretch; I grew up in that scene. Twilight vampires and werewolves have more in common with faeries in the mythic sense. I don't know what Bloodborne is.

It's been many years since I read either. You may be right on that count. The myths have been distorted and revised a thousand times with modern retelling.
I’ve never read/watched Twilight, just random tidbits so I know it’s sappy. I’m no fan of overtly emotional and lovey-dovey stuff, and I was never into the full-on Emo subculture. I did prefer “Goth”. My point is hat the original novels, from Dracula to Ruthven, being Victorian and all, were overtly sentimental and sappy if read in the modern day. Granted, Frankenstein was more philosophical, but they were very emotional books. I understand people not wanting Batman to be a literal 2000s Emo, but a 20s Bruce being overemotional in his brooding isn’t weird to me. And Gothic contains a lot of sappy at times romance in it.

Bloodborne’s a Lovecraftian game, from the guys who made the Dark/Demon’s Souls ones. It’s got an excellent Gothic atmosphere, though I’ve never played it since I didn’t buy a PS4. I hope it gets a port to PC.
 

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I’ve never read/watched Twilight, just random tidbits so I know it’s sappy. I’m no fan of overtly emotional and lovey-dovey stuff, and I was never into the full-on Emo subculture. I did prefer “Goth”. My point is hat the original novels, from Dracula to Ruthven, being Victorian and all, were overtly sentimental and sappy if read in the modern day. Granted, Frankenstein was more philosophical, but they were very emotional books. I understand people not wanting Batman to be a literal 2000s Emo, but a 20s Bruce being overemotional in his brooding isn’t weird to me. And Gothic contains a lot of sappy at times romance in it.

Bloodborne’s a Lovecraftian game, from the guys who made the Dark/Demon’s Souls ones. It’s got an excellent Gothic atmosphere, though I’ve never played it since I didn’t buy a PS4. I hope it gets a port to PC.
Yup. He’s in his early 30s abd even that isn’t weird. He’s pretty emo and sad all the time. That’s just his thing . It’s not twilight level but it’s still pretty close.

hot topic and Batman go hand and hand lol
 
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