God, yes. It's not the JL without GL. Dunno, I've always found Cyborg boring. I get dropping the Martian Manhunter, because he makes Superman kinda redundant, as he's Clark on steroids. But Cyborg's such a boring choice. On paper he's got a cool hook and all, but I don't know, I never warmed up to him. Maybe it's because he's got such a ****** look. An all silver robot with half a face showing is just bland. GL could never be John at that point because Johns was powerful during the N52 era, and he's a staunch Halguy. So he put in Cyborg as a replacement of J'on, and tied him with the Motherboxes. Which technically worked as a plot device, but... I've said it before, but if they wanted more diversity in the League without dropping the big guys, they should've just used Vixen. Two birds with one stone (black woman) and she's got a unique and interesting powerset, plus a unique day job. I get that Cyborg fits better due to the Motherbox connection they cooked up, but tech should be Batman's area; otherwise why the Hell is he even there? Strategy, tech and the such should always fall to him, period. Cyborg was fine in the Titans. He could eventually graduate, but the JL should be THE heroes. The Avengers can get off with a more varied in powerset roster, but the JL should always be mythical. I'm not much of a JL guy (or an Avengers one; team-books wise for me it was FF & X-Men, then GotG and technically the Midnight Sons during my edgy phase), but from whatever run I read over the years, I always got the impression that they should appear larger-than-life because they were THE elite superteam.
She's a redhead. They exist to get either blacked or blackwashed in modern Hollywood. I cannot think of any recent pieces of media where a redhead either remained white, or had a white love interest if she did. It's a pretty weird trend.
Social Justice League
I'll be honest and say I jumped on board with the Johns run, which is what I feel really made the Lantern Mythos what it is. Without it's a standard Space Cape book. Hal's my favourite, so while I am glad Johns brought him back to the limelight and redeemed him, I also am sad he technically erased Parallax Hal and Spectre Hal, as I felt those were a great addition to his character. Beyond that though, nobody can deny that he completely revitalised the property and amde it unique. Yeah, maybe he used some old Alan Moore scraps, but still. I do sometimes feel the Rainbow Corps are bloated, but GL at its core is a fantastical Space Opera starring Space Cops/Knights, which is why it's my favourite DC property, alongside Batman. It's more or less a Western DBZ in a sense.
More or less. I don't even mind a Superwoman and a Batwoman that much. There was an Elseworlds or something with a grown up Barbara working with Bruce and a Superwoman (can't remember if it was Kara or genderbent Kal). But this is just rushed and... sad. They'll just appear and bam, now they're Leaguers because DC ruined their plans. I've always hated seeing newcomers get instant acceptance into the Big Leagues without proving themselves over a long period. Such memberships used to mean something, and now they're basically being given away.
You know damn well they are going to screw this up. Jean grey will be black and cyclops a woman. Wolverine an Asian .Avengers dead, JL dead... X-Chads, our time is now!
But seriously, that lineup is barely Young Justice. First they drop Green Lantern & Manhunter from the main DCEU League, now they even scrub Superman and Batman of all people. Christ DC...
Lol now it’s video games and anime’s time to rise up and take over.If you think about, we've had one hell of a run the last decade or so with geek oriented films and television, even if DC consistently seemed to fall short ... it was all bound to sputter out sooner or later.
Wolverine will have a threesome then.
I don't know. I buy that they diversified the Eternals to avoid having to do it to the X-Men and the FF. I also expect MCU Logan to be Jackman as Old Man Logan and X-23 as Wolverine. The mob won't be able to complain much if they've got several black-lead films coming out at the same time. Black Panther will keep going, Blade will be a thing, FalCap's taking over the Cap movies, Ironheart's getting her own show, as is Rhodes, and nothing stops them from proping up other black/non-white characters. I'd love to see Denzel play Blue Marvel, but not in an adaptation of the mini; just do an original story. Or bring in his son John and have him play his anti-hero son. Throw in Monica and do a quasi-adaptation of the Beyond/Ultimates stuff and there you have it. I'd much rather watch that than Carl Manvers' next outing.
I mean, it's canon that they're having threesomes in the comics now. Technically. Kinda. It depends on whether you want to acknowledge it or headcanon it away. Current X-Comics are pretty wild.
I don't know about Disney buying them, but yeah, WB did drop the ball. Hard. Like I've said already, I've always been more of a Marvel guy than a DC one, but it's a fact that WB had the more general high profile characters and they could've easily kickstarted their cinematic universe well before the MCU even had a chance. But maybe the trick here is that Marvel characters being more down-to-Earth, more arseholy, is what made them popular. They may be walking quip machines now, but back when they started they were a pretty fresh take for the general audiences. DC has the super-powered icons, but Marvel started with Iron Man, Cap and Hulk. With the exception of Thor, they were stories about misfits, ***** and action heroes. Especially if we extend it to Pre-MCU flicks, the X-Men and Spider-Man fit that bill even more. Had DC started their run first, they'd have lead with Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Flash, Green Lantern, Aquaman and so on. More powers, bigger stakes, less personal stories. My theory is that Iron Man was there at the right place at the right time. Late 00s is when the vast majority of average joes started getting the internet (for better or worse), the iPhone launched in 2007, making smartphones a part of everyday life even moreso than the Blackberry did for the investment banker types, as did Twitter & Facebook. So when Iron Man came out, it wasn't about a superhero, it was about this rich womanizer whose power was his brain and he used tech. The climate helped it succeed. TDK was also very topical for its time. Other CBMs would not have the same impact as they'd just be stories about superheroes, and would've lacked that "it" factor.
Eh, I don't about iconic stories. Batman certainly. He's got the most well known stories that most normies can name. But the rest? Can anyone name a single WW, GL Pre-Johns, Aquaman and the such story? The names were more well known than most Marvel characters, but I don't think anyone knew any specific arcs in particular. Like I said, I consider myself a DC casual (Batman/Fate/Deathstroke/GL/Vertigo//WildStorm aside), so if I don't know any of their stories, then the GA wouldn't know about them either. And "iconic" is reserved for very few characters and stories in comics. I wouldn't say Iron Man has any truly great runs, but Armour Wars is his defining tale and it has penetrated the comic sphere. By contrast Aquaman or even WW never really had that.
Isn’t crisis iconic tho? I’m a fan of both I think also flash point is rather well known aswell as others. But remember it wasn’t the comics that made the dc characters popular back then it was the tv shows they had. Dc had lots of great shows in the early 00s
Crisis is an event that's not specific to any one character. At that point we might as well be talking about Secret Wars, which inspired CoIE. No normie knows about them, but they're equal in terms of comic book popularity. Flashpoint has penetrated the normiesphere though, I'll give you that. I'd say it's Civil War level, kinda. But I'm talking character specific runs. Like I said, WW was more well-known than Iron Man and had a place in the public consciousness, but that doesn't mean she had any truly classic runs that everyone was aware of. Same goes for Aquaman or GL. She was on the same level as Captain America I wager, maybe a tad higher. But yes, what gave DC the edge over the years was their myriad of shows and getting movies based on their characters out there beginning with Superman. Marvel took a long while to get where they were, but at the same time Spider-Man was a huge merch juggernaut and the X-Men owned the 90s. Regardless, that's all rather irrelevant if we're talking public perception. Going into the 00s DC had STAS, BTAS & JL amongst others. Marvel didn't really have anything beyond the shoddy 90s Spider-Man & X-Men series. So had DC moved earlier, they would've dominated the market. But the Schumacher films sort of poisoned the brand, Nolan was its own thing and Returns was too boring to take off. Meanwhile X-Men began the 00s superhero revival, Spider-Man was a hit, and slowly Marvel gained a foothold in the public's eye. The rest is history.
He only has a shot if Snyder is up to something.Cavill seeing the future of DC movies...
