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In-game Cloud is about a half-head taller than every adult male NPC, too. Cloud is actually a big boy, he just looks small cause Barret, Sephiroth and Zack are even bigger boys.

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You’re right! I re-compared Sephiroth and Cloud, and it comes out exactly right in scale.
 

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In-game Cloud is about a half-head taller than every adult male NPC, too. Cloud is actually a big boy, he just looks small cause Barret, Sephiroth and Zack are even bigger boys.

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Since you have these screenshots ready, I can tell you're educated on this topic, but I notice in the top right screenshot, Cloud and Barret look like they're the same height, considering the perspective. Even if the chart was accurate in terms of scale, and not accurate to actual heights, Barret should be nearly a foot taller than Cloud, which is not demonstrated in that screenshot. If it were, Barret's head would be off-screen.

So, as incongruous as it may seem, I don't think those screenshots are accurate, at least to the characters' heights relative to each other. Either Barret is shorter than we thought, or Cloud is taller.
 

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This got posted a little earlier. If it helps.

I hate everything about this chart lol.

It makes Red XIII look big enough to ride. He's far smaller than this, barely reaching knee level of the rest of the cast.

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Aerith and Tifa are basically the same height. I think Tifa's game model is a hair taller.

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And not only is Sephiroth's game model the same height as Barret's, but the game frequently cheats him even taller than that for dramatic effect. Here Cloud is eye level with Seph's chest, whereas for most of the game, Cloud is a bit taller than Barret's shoulders.

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Since you have these screenshots ready, I can tell you're educated on this topic, but I notice in the top right screenshot, Cloud and Barret look like they're the same height, considering the perspective. Even if the chart was accurate in terms of scale, and not accurate to actual heights, Barret should be nearly a foot taller than Cloud, which is not demonstrated in that screenshot. If it were, Barret's head would be off-screen.

So, as incongruous as it may seem, I don't think those screenshots are accurate, at least to the characters' heights relative to each other. Either Barret is shorter than we thought, or Cloud is taller.

Just popping this on to the end here, Barret only looks shorter in that shot because he's further away from the camera, it's just perspective. While all the NPCs in these shots are also further away and thus subject to perspective, they're also all clearly looking up at Cloud, if you look at their sightlines.

And yeah, I'm a huge nerd about character scaling lol. All these numbers people bring up are from the original game and that whole game is chibi, there was no need to be consistent back then, whereas with Unreal engine specifically (and most modern game engines generally) things are done in real world scale for physics calculation reasons. However tall the game models are is how tall they're "actually" supposed to be (keeping in mind that animation frequently cheats characters higher or lower off the ground for the sake of composition).
 

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I hate everything about this chart lol.

It makes Red XIII look big enough to ride. He's far smaller than this, barely reaching knee level of the rest of the cast.

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Aerith and Tifa are basically the same height. I think Tifa's game model is a hair taller.

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And not only is Sephiroth's game model the same height as Barret's, but the game frequently cheats him even taller than that for dramatic effect. Here Cloud is eye level with Seph's chest, whereas for most of the game, Cloud is a bit taller than Barret's shoulders.

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Just popping this on to the end here, Barret only looks shorter in that shot because he's further away from the camera, it's just perspective. While all the NPCs in these shots are also further away and thus subject to perspective, they're also all clearly looking up at Cloud, if you look at their sightlines.

And yeah, I'm a huge nerd about character scaling lol. All these numbers people bring up are from the original game and that whole game is chibi, there was no need to be consistent back then, whereas with Unreal engine specifically (and most modern game engines generally) things are done in real world scale for physics calculation reasons. However tall the game models are is how tall they're "actually" supposed to be (keeping in mind that animation frequently cheats characters higher or lower off the ground for the sake of composition).
shdhdhdh yeah that shot of Cloud and Sephiroth is what my memory was going off of when I thought the GT fig was too tall. I should have remembered to DOUBLE CHECK and verify consistency lol

I think the other thing that can throw people about Cloud’s height is that he IS the shortest of the prominent men in the game, or even semi-prominent, to the best of my recollection. Zack, Barret, Sephiroth, Biggs, even Andrea and Jules, and I’m 95% sure on Roche… pretty much unless they’re a one-off guy like in those shots, Cloud’s shorter.
 

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shdhdhdh yeah that shot of Cloud and Sephiroth is what my memory was going off of when I thought the GT fig was too tall. I should have remembered to DOUBLE CHECK and verify consistency lol

I think the other thing that can throw people about Cloud’s height is that he IS the shortest of the prominent men in the game, or even semi-prominent, to the best of my recollection. Zack, Barret, Sephiroth, Biggs, even Andrea and Jules, and I’m 95% sure on Roche… pretty much unless they’re a one-off guy like in those shots, Cloud’s shorter.

I actually dislike how much Cloud towers over all the NPCs in the game because, yeah, in my head, Cloud is of average height if not on the shorter side, because every other named male character in the game is way taller than him lol. It's a weird creative decision to make all the NPCs so much smaller, at times they honestly feel out of scale.
 

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Barret is far from perfect…but I will still be preordering for sure. No way that I can pass up an opportunity to have the full cast represented on my shelves.

If a better version releases (fingers crossed) then I will just sell this one and I will probably be able to get back most of my money. I did the same thing with VTS Cloud.
 

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Just to clarify, the numbers in that chart, despite being highly contested based on screenshots and 3d modeling from FF7 Remake, are supposedly the original official listings for the characters.


A little additional detail here:

The link(s) even explain that Sephiroth gained SIX inches of height between original character details from FF7 compared to FF7R. Which is where some of the confusion comes in about him being taller than Barrett now.
 

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Just to clarify, the numbers in that chart, despite being highly contested based on screenshots and 3d modeling from FF7 Remake, are supposedly the original official listings for the characters.


A little additional detail here:

The link(s) even explain that Sephiroth gained SIX inches of height between original character details from FF7 compared to FF7R. Which is where some of the confusion comes in about him being taller than Barrett now.

I think we all know where the numbers come from, they just don’t really matter anymore. I believe the new ultimania might list updated heights (with everything for Sephiroth having the usual “?” Lol) so if that’s the case we can probably operate with those as a base and then referencing the game for the rest.
 

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Just to clarify, the numbers in that chart, despite being highly contested based on screenshots and 3d modeling from FF7 Remake, are supposedly the original official listings for the characters.


A little additional detail here:

The link(s) even explain that Sephiroth gained SIX inches of height between original character details from FF7 compared to FF7R. Which is where some of the confusion comes in about him being taller than Barrett now.


I suppose what annoys me is I really don't care what the "canon" numbers are if they contradict what I see with my eyes lol

The new Street Fighter 6 bios say that Ryu somehow only weighs 187lbs despite clearly looking like he weighs 250+ in muscle mass. Often times these "official" numbers are just made up on the spot.
 

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For me, as long as the line looks good. Not oversize like VTS. Likeness impeccable, sizing more or less there, I’m good.

Having say so, I always thought that barret should be taller then Sephiroth, even if it’s not by a lot. He always came across like HULK (of course not as big) from the avengers in term of vibe. And having more shelf presence.
 

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For me, as long as the line looks good. Not oversize like VTS. Likeness impeccable, sizing more or less there, I’m good.

Having say so, I always thought that barret should be taller then Sephiroth, even if it’s not by a lot. He always came across like HULK (of course not as big) from the avengers in term of vibe. And having more shelf presence.
For me, Barret should not be taller than Sephiroth. He should be taller than Cloud, and a bit shorter than Sephiroth. It takes away the characteristics for Sephiroth as the lean but strong bad guy. He's not as big, but don't make him shorter. Barret should be that big tank guy but not the tallest.
 

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I finished putting together my display, finally. New lights and poster backdrops! Photo dump incoming.

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Sooo happy to have it all together finally. Can't wait to replace the Super Duck Tifa & Aerith with GT versions! And the empty space with the Bahamut background is for AC Cloud & Fenrir. (And hopefully Vincent!!):bounce Thanks for viewing!! :wave
 
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I am still praying hard everyday in hope there will be a reissue for both remake cloud and sephiroth.
Both their price have skyrocketed.

At least I managed to pre-order AC cloud and Zack.
 

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I am still praying hard everyday in hope there will be a reissue for both remake cloud and sephiroth.
Both their price have skyrocketed.

At least I managed to pre-order AC cloud and Zack.
Unfortunately already confirmed no reissue of remake cloud, however will be doing an AC Sephiroth
 
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