Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny (June 30th, 2023)

davejames said:

there are no other good ancient artifacts or maguffins out there for him to chase, at least that are on the level of the Ark and Grail.

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davejames said:

none have the same kind of religious or cultural importance behind them.

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For Christianity, I suppose.

There's probably other "objects" from other cultures/religions that Indy could be hired to hunt for. Might help with the whole diversity thing.

Look at the show relic hunter from twenty plus years ago. That had 66 episodes and each one had a different historical item of interest, from royal jewels in wine bottles to, cursed Egyptian cat statues to the keys to stonehenge. There is plenty he could have gone after, but Atlantis is what I most wanted to see

Wor-Gar said:

If Indy makes it to the 70's, he can try and find D.B. Cooper.

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If he makes it to the 80's, he can join the Goonies.

I have to be honest, this is an unbelieveable miss by Disney/Lucasfilm. Premiering this at Cannes and letting full reviews come out is something you do when you know you have an absolute winner. Not something that looks to be this divisive and this flawed. Even if it's an absolute winner, it's still extremely risky because of the low amount of reviewers who will see it and will create the narrative.

At the end of the day, your own reaction its whats most important as always- but this was a marketing move that failed, and might actually turn potential customers AWAY. Sure, fans are probably going to this no matter what, but the casual moviegoer, they might sit it out and go see Mission Impossible a couple of weeks later.

We're still over a month out and you may have to win people back over now. This was all easily avoidable, no one told them to do this, they weren't forced into Cannes and letting the review embargo expire immediately after. Yet they did.

Mangold's Star Wars movie is definitely still happening though.

RavenAsh said:

I have to be honest, this is an unbelieveable miss by Disney/Lucasfilm. Premiering this at Cannes and letting full reviews come out is something you do when you know you have an absolute winner. Not something that looks to be this divisive and this flawed. Even if it's an absolute winner, it's still extremely risky because of the low amount of reviewers who will see it and will create the narrative.

At the end of the day, your own reaction its whats most important as always- but this was a marketing move that failed, and might actually turn potential customers AWAY. Sure, fans are probably going to this no matter what, but the casual moviegoer, they might sit it out and go see Mission Impossible a couple of weeks later.

We're still over a month out and you may have to win people back over now. This was all easily avoidable, no one told them to do this, they weren't forced into Cannes and letting the review embargo expire immediately after. Yet they did.

Mangold's Star Wars movie is definitely still happening though.

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Probably the reason did it was because they knew they had a bomb and they were hoping the media would lie.
They do everything though test audiences and data. This was simply a calculated move by a billion dollar company.

Much like Star Wars, no one wants to see a run down hero past their prime. No one wants to see their hero being emasculated by the modern agenda.

I am guessing this movie was written before Blackrock and Vanguard pulled funding. I can only guess Disney is in some sort of dire struggle now, and things have to be really bad if their hail mary was to put this turd out, and hope the media would lie in their favor.

The mere fact that the entertainment MSM is trashing this movie, which will have a direct impact on Disney’s bottom line and Mangold’s career, proves that the Doomcocks and every other anti-Disney/KK programs are wrong when they claim that Disney owns the entertainment MSM.

A good McGuffin from mythology would be the Emerald Tablets of Thoth, tablets containing the knowledge of the universe/magic written by the Egyptian god Thoth and sought out by real Hermetic cults/magician societies throughout history.

So you would have Indy travel to Egypt, Greece (the Hellenistic Hermetic cults tried to "recreate" the tablet when they combined the gods Hermes and Thoth into the fictional founder of their organization: Hermes Trismegistus) and then throughout Europe as various European cults over the centuries and prominent "magicians" tried to discover the tablets and its secrets, including the likes of Alaistair Crowley (prominent English "wizard" who acted as a British spy during WW1 who infiltrated German occult societies to undermine the pro-German agenda in the US and was supposedly the inventor of the "V for Victory" sign which he designed as a magical counter to the Nazi's use of the mystical Swastika) and the Thule Society (prominent secret German occult society who were the main early sponsors of the Nazi Party, co-founded the Nazi party's predecessors and held many prominent Nazi's as members including Hess, Himmler, Goring, Rosenberg, Eckhart, Haushoffer and others - though never Hitler, he actually found his fellow Nazi members obsession with magic to be ridiculous)

So the villains could be a mix of German occultists (proto-Nazis or even full blown Nazis if you wish to set it in the 30s or during the war), British and Greek "wizards", Egyptian cults trying to preserve the sacred relics of their ancient god..... it allows for a lot of possibility.
I would even be tempted to make the Thule, rather than the Nazis, the main villains - show them as the mystical puppet masters who bankrolled and ideologically founded the Nazis to use them to find these Holy/magical relics for them. This opens up the time period for Indy as the Thule predate the World Wars and you could even have them survive as a secret society following the collapse of the Nazi party as recurring enduring enemy to Indy - I think the show Supernatural did something kind of like this in later seasons.
You could have a Younger Indy as the sort of sceptic Scully role working with the likes of an older Alastair Crowley in the believer/Mulder role trying to find the Emerald Tablets, travelling Egypt and Europe and fighting the Thule, or you could have Crowley as the villain/surprise villain (guy was kind of sketchy) and have Indy work with the Egyptians to keep the Tablet hidden.... sounds like fun to me.

Don't think anyone needs to worry about pitching a good McGuffin for Indy now for a very long time.

Judging from those reviews, it looks like DizLucasfilmsy is staying true to form like the SW sequel trilogy, only all rolled up into one.

Like TFA, it'll drag a zillion folks into the theater on name recognition and the idea of seeing Indy again on the big screen after so long. It'll have lots of nostalgia feelies, especially with the Williams score cranked to the max to zip the heartstrings and squeeze the tears. And like TFA, after the dust settles and a little time passes, everyone will come away barely remembering a story or any characters. Like cotton candy on a midway, catching the carnival lights, but melting away into the air as it's eaten (or in this case, watched).

Like TLJ, there will be the incessant need to beat the protagonist down, feed him with failure and regret while having a new character come in that "saves the day" and does everything better without having or showing any experience in doing those things. Perfect right out of the gate. It will have lots of preposterous action that defies physics and reason, but it'll look "cool". It'll have a big-golly over the top ending that isn't earned. It will divide fans on how the lead is treated and how adding a new "idea" to the mix isn't clever or creative, it's just lazy and cheap (here's looking at you, time travel).

Like TROS, it will reek from the smell and the squeal of whiteboard markers attacking a list of gotta-have character types, must-do action scenes and can't-miss emotional moments leaving nothing out and of course it must all be BIGGER, LONGER & LOUDER than ever.

Am I sounding cynical? Well, yes. Surprised by what we're reading in these reviews? No. Definitely not with the history of how Disney has handled SW and now, Indy.

Indiana Jones is character that has been preformed by an actor who's personality was completely in sync with the character. A true movie star with a signature role. I'm left with the impression that Ford really cares and probably gave his "all" here, but it sounds like it's not enough to get past this grinding production that hasn't a lick of creative impulse or sincerity involved in anything it does.

Will I see it? Yes of course. I'll either check it out at the Drive-In or wait until it streams. Considering the years of entertainment Ford has provided me, I at least want to see this last effort.

I just wish I could be happy and excited about it.

I’ve stopped listening to whatever the hell rotten tomatoes critics say ever since they gave high ratings to TLJ

Sums it up pretty aptly...

Stumbled on some interesting art, has nothing to do with "Dial D for Dumb"...

What could have been...

Those are neat. They're not official or anything? They look like they could be legitimate concept art.

boy, that movie will be a stinker :Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny - Movie Reviews

Anyway, there are only 3 Indy movies , period....

jedibear said:

It will have lots of preposterous action that defies physics and reason, but it'll look "cool".

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A well thought out post that mirrors a lot of our collective thoughts I'm certain. This line stuck out to me though, as I recall vividly the reaction a certain Temple of Doom sequence got in the theater when the characters survived jumping out of a crashing airplane on a still inflating raft, down a mountain, over a waterfall, and got "mostly" wet.

OneSixFix said:

boy, that movie will be a stinker :Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny - Movie Reviews

Anyway, there are only 3 Indy movies , period....

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Star Wars: The Last Jedi - Movie Reviews

Considering those critics love THAT film, I’d take their opinions very lightly

Mr.E said:

Those are neat. They're not official or anything? They look like they could be legitimate concept art.

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I don't know, just found them from an artist I like while looking for other art.