That's because it would debunk your theory though.
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World-building is vastly overrated. It’s just window dressing. And it is useless if not attached to a story with engaging characters that connect with the audience.
Snyder’s movies did not connect with the general public audience. There’s no denying this. I don’t think the world-building, clumsy or not, was to blame. I also don’t think it was hopelessly rushed. A Superman movie, followed by a movie where Supes comes into conflict with Batman, followed by a bigger team-up movie, could have worked with a talented writer. Snyder and (shudder) Chris Terrio were not those writers.
Snyder’s best movie is still his Dawn Of The Dead remake from 2004. Written by James Gunn. I remain optimistic about the future of DC films, especially as a Grant Morrison fan.
Snyder’s movies did not connect with the general public audience. There’s no denying this. I don’t think the world-building, clumsy or not, was to blame. I also don’t think it was hopelessly rushed. A Superman movie, followed by a movie where Supes comes into conflict with Batman, followed by a bigger team-up movie, could have worked with a talented writer. Snyder and (shudder) Chris Terrio were not those writers.
Snyder’s best movie is still his Dawn Of The Dead remake from 2004. Written by James Gunn. I remain optimistic about the future of DC films, especially as a Grant Morrison fan.
Of course. I thought it was a great idea.
Superman sacrifices himself, even for a world that doubts him.
It restored Bruce's faith and gave him a tangible reason to create the league and bring the metahumans together.
It showed the world what it is like without him.
It woke the Mother Boxes that alerted Steppenwolf
It set up the Knightmare future
You know world building stuff...
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please explain to me why you think Justice league and the xmen are similar then.
One is a team that always works as a team the other is a group of superheroes that come together sometimes to stop a worldwide threat.
If we are talking movie wise then one is a literal introduction into the team and the other is trying to build the team after trying to rush to get there.
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That’s not… lol never mind.
Hey if that’s good world building for you then fine
Both are a team of superheroes. It's right there.
I can't imagine how you would have reacted to George Millers Justice League movie idea.
For me, the far more important consideration than world building is creating and fleshed out and logical context within which the action of the story takes place. Not necessarily making sure that every region of the "world" in which characters live is discussed or shown, that we understand the precise historical series of events that led us to today, etc. An example is the most recent episode of the Last of Us. Without giving spoilers, it gives us a small, rich exploration of two new characters, and in the process fleshes out what is going on in the larger story, and how real humans might respond to situations like this, which makes us care more about everything else that is going on. Telling a good story is what matters, whether it is across one stand-alone, 10 or 15 minute episode like the DC Showcase shorts, or across a 3+ hour sequel in a series of interconnected films like Endgame. For me, Snyder was deficient in telling stories that resonated with me.
Why isn't it? Other than it's different from the comics why is it bad? Literally.That’s not… lol never mind.
George Miller is a good writer. He could have made it work. I hope Gunn gives him a call.
That's fair enough. For me, the only time I have felt anything other than simply entertained is when Tony died at the end of Endgame.
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It probably would have been better than what we got.
Also the xmen was an introduction to the team. The movie. The xmen is a team and always has been. The Justice league is made up of superheroes with different lore and backgrounds. Vastly different. A better comparison is the avengers
I'm talking about the rate at which the team-up happens.
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Didn’t feel earned. I’ve been saying this to you for several pages now. It didn’t feel right and it felt weightless. It was just thrown in. It was poorly told. How many times must I tell you
Yes, but they could solo'd them all and then put them together. Not vastly different. All the X-Men characters have different lore and backgrounds they were just written as a team first.
What I mean is the rate is not a problem when you have a good writer telling the story.
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They could have but they didn’t and they do but everyone knows them as the xmen team mates. The Justice league members can work with or without the team.
Imagine Stark dying at the end of Iron Man 2.Didn’t feel earned. I’ve been saying this to you for several pages now. It didn’t feel right and it felt weightless. It was just thrown in. It was poorly told. How many times must I tell you
If it was well written and with a good story like BvS then sure.
Exactly. They didn't but they could have.
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“We must… avenge him. As Avengers.”
*cue Steve watching grainy security footage of Thor, Hulk, Hawkeye, Black Widow, and, for some reason, minority teen hero Kamala who should be on the teen hero team the Champions but is now an Avengers candidate for reasons. Each with their own pre-created corresponding logos.*
*smash cut to bald Justin Hammer in jail. “The purple man is coming! DING DING DING!”*
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