Star Wars: Andor (September 21st, 2022)
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Wow -- this episode has an even better homage to the Vader/Leia interrogation scene than last week's -- complete with panning to officer's boots marching off.
This show has so much subtext into today's issues, I wonder if people even see it. The "believer" Syril who has gone down a rabbit hole in desperation to justify his life... the duality of Luthen, seemingly ready to become the very thing he hates in order to extinguish it... the walls closing in on Mothma, forcing her deeper into actions that will close those walls even further... and Andor, the center of everyone's problems; the cog in a machine he doesn't even care about; he just wants out and to be left alone...
This show has so much subtext into today's issues, I wonder if people even see it. The "believer" Syril who has gone down a rabbit hole in desperation to justify his life... the duality of Luthen, seemingly ready to become the very thing he hates in order to extinguish it... the walls closing in on Mothma, forcing her deeper into actions that will close those walls even further... and Andor, the center of everyone's problems; the cog in a machine he doesn't even care about; he just wants out and to be left alone...
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Agreed. But what's the old saying "How can I soar like an eagle when I'm surround by a bunch of turkeys." And Andor has been suffocated by a bunch of Lucasfilm turkeys that have pretty much killed mainstream interest.
SW hardcores have dwindled since Disney, and alone they don't pay the bills anymore.
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At least they went out on a high. Unlike, say, Hemsworth.
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They do. But we are in a world where a big chunk of any given audience is full of raging hormones and wants to know who is getting with who - and if nobody is, they insist yes they are; not sure a lot of people quit texting long enough to actually read a book, the show isn't stuffed with action scenes or humor.
I'm just glad the showrunner is unapologetic about the treatment not being for everyone, and keeps on.
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They are literally building the rebellion machine on that table one small cog at a time.
Man, machine, rebellion are about to march out of that facility.
I bet rogue squadron are on level 1 lol
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Andy Serkis said he knows what they're building. It would be cool if the last shot of the season showed all the cogs going into something and the camera pulled back and it was the Death Star dish.
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I bet it’s the exhaust port from Galen
Rebels built it all this time without even knowing its significance.
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That would be pretty cool.I
I bet it’s the exhaust port from Galen
Rebels built it all this time without even knowing its significance.
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Just wanna say how much I enjoy Serkis and what a badass he can be; Skarsgård too. Suppose they could be considered "hawt" as older guys go, but imagine it's the inclusion of stellar experienced actors that the fan-fic crowd can't write questionable hormone-filled trash about affects the ratings. Or maybe that goes on anyway - dunno.
It's nice to be anticipating the next episode so much
(although nothing major may happen). Like just how loony is Syril gonna get. There's something hilarious and creepy about an ISB officer who tortures people being described as an inspirational shining light.
Next episode is the prison break!!!
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That’s a generalisation. I love reading (50-70 books a year), love slow-burn sci-fi (Dune, Blade Runner 2049, 2001: A Space Odyssey etc.), refuse to have my phone anywhere near me while watching films or shows, yet I’m bored to tears with this show and quite frankly dislike it. You don’t have to fit a certain mould to dislike this show. There’s a heck of a lot snobbery going around on here and other places regarding this show.
I'm curious - even though you're bored and dislike it, are you still watching it?
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The show is definitely not for everyone but I’m loving it, the latest episode is terrific and the show is reminding me sometimes of some of Soderbergh’s films. I can’t begin to imagine what Soderbergh Star Wars might look like. The characters are mostly not likeable but having grown up on Scorsese films that’s nothing new to me. What I have found surprising is how much my kids are liking it and they are pre-teen. I think they are probably liking it because there is just enough Star Wars in it plus I have always brought them up on slightly older material anyway.
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I find this intriguing because it might point to a more specific correlation in terms of people's opinions on Andor. I say that because Gilroy's work (not just Andor) is so inspired by 1970's cinema that his filmmaking ends up feeling like it could be straight out of that era. A lot of those key 70's films are known for being gritty and cynical, but I think an equally-defining characteristic was methodical pacing.
They tended to have scenes linger extensively, even on seemingly monotonous moments, to provide deeper insight into the characters than to-the-point exposition or action could provide. Maybe a prerequisite for appreciating Andor is appreciating that subset of films from the 70's.
I'd be curious to know what the people who dislike Andor think of The Deer Hunter, The Conversation, Network, Chinatown, Taxi Driver, One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest, and even The Godfather I & II.
The irony is that Star Wars (meaning "A New Hope") probably played the biggest role in bringing that cinematic era to an end. In some ways, Gilroy's approach is the antithesis of that shift that ANH helped usher in. Andor is Gilroy's revenge!
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Yep, I watch all Star Wars (sequels included) out of obligation. I don’t hate it, I’ve enjoyed parts, just really dislike the direction the show has taken in the last couple of episodes.
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Great points. Love love love all of those films. The Conversation is in my top ten of all time. But my kids haven’t seen any of emI find this intriguing because it might point to a more specific correlation in terms of people's opinions on Andor. I say that because Gilroy's work (not just Andor) is so inspired by 1970's cinema that his filmmaking ends up feeling like it could be straight out of that era. A lot of those key 70's films are known for being gritty and cynical, but I think an equally-defining characteristic was methodical pacing.
They tended to have scenes linger extensively, even on seemingly monotonous moments, to provide deeper insight into the characters than to-the-point exposition or action could provide. Maybe a prerequisite for appreciating Andor is appreciating that subset of films from the 70's.
I'd be curious to know what the people who dislike Andor think of The Deer Hunter, The Conversation, Network, Chinatown, Taxi Driver, One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest, and even The Godfather I & II.
The irony is that Star Wars (meaning "A New Hope") probably played the biggest role in bringing that cinematic era to an end. In some ways, Gilroy's approach is the antithesis of that shift that ANH helped usher in. Andor is Gilroy's revenge!
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https://screenrant.com/andor-season-2-yavin-star-wars-location-details/
Didn’t know who the new writer Tom Bissell was and had to look him up - predominantly video games! I don’t know whether to cry or be excited.
Didn’t know who the new writer Tom Bissell was and had to look him up - predominantly video games! I don’t know whether to cry or be excited.
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I can answer the 70s part. It’s my favourite era of films, a good 50% of what I watch is from that decade. All of those films you mentioned are among my favourite films. I still don’t like Andor. Or maybe I should say I don’t like it as much as I want to like it. I like the darker more adult tone, I think it’s probably just the lack of Star Wars feel that does it for me. Atm it just feels like generic Blade Runner wannabe sci-fi to me. If it had the familiarity then I could tolerate the slowness and exploration of the mundane more. It doesn’t help that I find the main actor the worst actor in the show either. Every time Stellan Skarsgard is on the screen though my interest is suddenly piqued. I’d happily watch a show with him as the main focus.I find this intriguing because it might point to a more specific correlation in terms of people's opinions on Andor. I say that because Gilroy's work (not just Andor) is so inspired by 1970's cinema that his filmmaking ends up feeling like it could be straight out of that era. A lot of those key 70's films are known for being gritty and cynical, but I think an equally-defining characteristic was methodical pacing.
They tended to have scenes linger extensively, even on seemingly monotonous moments, to provide deeper insight into the characters than to-the-point exposition or action could provide. Maybe a prerequisite for appreciating Andor is appreciating that subset of films from the 70's.
I'd be curious to know what the people who dislike Andor think of The Deer Hunter, The Conversation, Network, Chinatown, Taxi Driver, One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest, and even The Godfather I & II.
The irony is that Star Wars (meaning "A New Hope") probably played the biggest role in bringing that cinematic era to an end. In some ways, Gilroy's approach is the antithesis of that shift that ANH helped usher in. Andor is Gilroy's revenge!
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