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Spot on...

Now that a few weeks has passed, I can honestly say this is on the same level as the lowest SW material ever made. Just so downright silly, nonsensical, inane, and a completely pointless venture.

An opinion...

SwedishHeat said:

What bothers me more than anything else about new Star Wars content is their undying need to add new Troopers, new droids, and new tech.

Like, if Vader had this personal execution squad of Inquisitors that hunted down Obi-Wan Kenobi, where were these Inquisitors during the entire OT? Where were the Death Troopers, Purge Troopers, Shore Troopers, and Mud Troopers?? Why didn't Leia have her L0-LA droid during ANH? Those loader droids sure would have been handy to have in the Yavin and Hoth Rebel bases ...

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You forgot the near-50% female officers in Reva's Jaws 3D base.... just ten years before ANH where there are zero females.

Mandible said:

Spot on...

Now that a few weeks has passed, I can honestly say this is on the same level as the lowest SW material ever made. Just so downright silly, nonsensical, pointless, and a completely pointless venture.

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He basically puts together into a concise and funny 7 minutes all of the horse**** that we've been pointing out here for the past month or two.

TaliBane said:

You forgot the near-50% female officers in Reva's Jaws 3D base.... just ten years before ANH where there are zero females.

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I don't understand this issue though. ANH was filmed during different times and it reflected the times it was in. I don't see the issue of including more female officers in modern Star Wars.

e30ernest said:

I don't understand this issue though. ANH was filmed during different times and it reflected the times it was in. I don't see the issue of including more female officers in modern Star Wars.

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I struggle with this same concept, continuity vs. equity, and ultimately I come down on the side of 'there should've been more female roles back then, so I'm okay with them changing that now'.

Maybe it's hypocritical because I'm ranting about the troopers that don't fit continuity, but the lack of representation back then was wrong, so I'm okay with it being fixed now.

e30ernest said:

I don't understand this issue though. ANH was filmed during different times and it reflected the times it was in. I don't see the issue of including more female officers in modern Star Wars.

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I'm confused. You mean the "different times" prevented females from being available to play Imperials?

There are fairly large numbers of female personnel visible in the rebel forces, especially from ESB onward.

Different times didn't prevent Leia from being one of the three SW leads either.

SwedishHeat said:

I struggle with this same concept, continuity vs. equity, and ultimately I come down on the side of 'there should've been more female roles back then, so I'm okay with them changing that now'.

Maybe it's hypocritical because I'm ranting about the troopers that don't fit continuity, but the lack of representation back then was wrong, so I'm okay with it being fixed now.

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SW is about WWII and its effects. Lucas himself calls the Imperials "Nazis" in the DVD commentary. Both allied and Axis forces had very few women in them, in most cases zero.

Star Wars is about a war. Even today, if we are being truthful (I know, right...), probably 95% of forces fighting that war (pilots, ground troops, Navy personnel) would be male. Not even remotely close to 50/50. So "lack of rep" is just sort of a game.

I get it, "it's just a movie" etc etc - but this stuff is supposed to be "about something" and when you see 50% of the Imp officers as women it just feels totally bogus - a hand-wringing studio executive worried about your Twitter rant about "representation," less worried about what this art actually says about us and our world.

Prime Clone said:

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"what i learned is that even if you hand moses ingram a so-so, boring ass script, she can act the hell out of it, and that’s probably the most important thing in this show."

As the old saying goes: some people never learn.

Yes folks - Moses Ingram's performance is the "most important" thing in this show.

TaliBane said:

I'm confused. You mean the "different times" prevented females from being available to play Imperials?

There are fairly large numbers of female personnel visible in the rebel forces, especially from ESB onward.

Different times didn't prevent Leia from being one of the three SW leads either.

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I don't remember any females being part of the actual rebel army though? Officers, yes but not actual part of the main fighting force? I only remember Leia but it has been years since I've watched the OT.

I know in the now non-canon sources the Empire was heavily biased against women in their ranks but I cannot find this as an official reason from Lucas for the lack of women in the Empire.

e30ernest said:

I don't remember any females being part of the actual rebel army though? Officers, yes but not actual part of the main fighting force? I only remember Leia but it has been years since I've watched the OT.

I know in the now non-canon sources the Empire was heavily biased against women in their ranks but I cannot find this as an official reason from Lucas for the lack of women in the Empire.

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You should maybe watch the OT - it helps in discussing it.

I don't know about just officers - what I mean is if you look at Hoth base hangar and command center, women are quite noticeably present. Hard to say whether they are soldiers or technicians or whatever (most women are wearing identical uniforms to their male counterparts) - the whole base is military obviously. Maybe 1/4 to 1/3 of the personnel appear female?

Pilots in ESB appear all male. Later in ROTJ you start to see female pilots - there's maybe 3-4 I can think of off the top of my head visible in the ROTJ briefing.

But again - amidst noticeable inclusion of females on the rebel side, there are ZERO females in the Empire throughout the entire OT to the end of ROTJ. Not one female face, at any level. This proves it was an artistic choice, not due to "different times."

TaliBane said:

You should maybe watch the OT - it helps in discussing it.

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I'm actually going through the entire series in chronological order (including animated shows). Lot's of catching up. I decided to go this route after finishing TCW which I really enjoyed.

The greatest horror movie masterpiece ever made, in the 70’s no less, The Exorcist: Double female lead with Linda Blair in the most memorable role ever holding her own against Ellen Burtyn and other huge actors!

One of the greatest holiday theme horror movies ever made, in the 70’s no less, Halloween: Triple female lead!!!

One of greatest movie musicals ever made, in the 70’s no less, Grease: Female lead with history making songs!

One of the greatest Alien theme horror movie ever made, in the 70’s no less, Alien: Female lead who remained the only strong survivor who ended the movie!

One of the greatest sports theme movie ever made, in the 70’s no less, Rocky: Female co-lead in a role that made Rocky whole and realistic!

One of the greatest comedies ever made, in the 70’s no less, Smokey and the Bandit: Female co-lead as memorable as the male lead!

The greatest sci-fi movie ever made that changed cinema and pop culture forever, in the 70’s no less, Star Wars: Female lead that stood up to Vader, Tarkin and Han lol and showed the world a female could save the galaxy and make bank!

Yeah women really struggled to be seen in Hollywood in the 70’s they were downright invisible lol

jye4ever said:

The greatest horror movie masterpiece ever made, in the 70’s no less, The Exorcist: Double female lead!!

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This won't work because priests.

And yes, I am (was?) Catholic.

jye4ever said:

The greatest horror movie masterpiece ever made, in the 70’s no less, The Exorcist: Double female lead!!

One of the greatest holiday theme horror movies ever made, in the 70’s no less, Halloween: Triple female lead!!!

One of greatest movie musicals ever made, in the 70’s no less, Grease: Female lead with history making songs!

One of the greatest Alien theme horror movie ever made, in the 70’s no less, Alien: Female lead who remained the only strong survivor who ended the movie!

One of the greatest sports theme movie ever made, in the 70’s no less, Rocky: Female co-lead in a role that made Rocky whole and realistic!

One of the greatest comedies ever made, in the 70’s no less, Smokey and the Bandit: Female co-lead as memorable as the male lead!

The greatest sci-fi movie ever made that changed cinema and pop culture forever, in the 70’s no less, Star Wars: Female lead that stood up to Vader, Tarkin and Han lol

Yeah women really struggled to be seen in Hollywood in the 70’s they were downright invisible lol

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Eh shut up, Jye.

The original six-part Skywalker Saga was about Anakin turning evil and his son turning him back. It was a big deal.

Under Disney, people "turn" so easily and often it's lost all meaning.

• Finn turns good
• Rey almost turns evil, but turns back
• Kylo turns good
• Jannah and her whole company turn good
• Han turns scoundrel (Solo), turns hero (ANH), then turns scoundrel then hero again (ST)
• Boba turns good
• Reva turns good

Any I missed?

Prime Clone said:

The original six-part Skywalker Saga was about Anakin turning evil and his son turning him back. It was a big deal.

Under Disney, people "turn" so easily and often it's lost all meaning.

• Finn turns good
• Rey almost turns evil, but turns back
• Kylo turns good
• Jannah and her whole company turn good
• Han turns scoundrel (Solo), turns hero (ANH), then turns scoundrel then hero again (ST)
• Boba turns good
• Reva turns good

Any I missed?

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Under Lucas, Anakin went from helping Mace Windu to stop Palpatine to youngling-slaying in 5 minutes. Still not topped in abrupt shifts.

Garlador said:

Under Lucas, Anakin went from helping Mace Windu to stop Palpatine to youngling-slaying in 5 minutes. Still not topped in abrupt shifts.

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Point taken. But he *was* under duress.

Garlador said:

Under Lucas, Anakin went from helping Mace Windu to stop Palpatine to youngling-slaying in 5 minutes. Still not topped in abrupt shifts.

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It makes sense and works perfectly for me.
We saw Anakin struggling more and more with his fears and emotions throughout the prequels, and then he was finally pushed beyond his breaking point. Once he attacks Windu he realises he is lost and cannot go back ("what have I done"), and thus surrenders himself to the Dark Side ("I will do whatever you ask").

Garlador said:

Under Lucas, Anakin went from helping Mace Windu to stop Palpatine to youngling-slaying in 5 minutes. Still not topped in abrupt shifts.

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I just finished watching Narcos (both original and Mexico spin-off,) where Pablo Escobar goes from doting Dad and loving husband to breaking baseball bats as he reduces people to bloody pulps.

So extreme flip-flopping does happen even in reality (as much as the show's depiction of Pablo is "reality".)