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To be fair TW has only begun to do very shady stuff recently, but Justin shouldn't be promoting them anymore regardless of whatever agreement they have, the fact he's still sending people to that site to possibly get scammed and advertising them in every video speaks volumes.
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Lack of transparency considering his vested interest with TW.

There are those who'll ignore and justify/rationalize what he's doing along and the same for TW.
 
I work at DHL Express, the statement is valid that there is no pick up from Hong Kong as of yet.
I had discussion with one collector regarding his Cloud shipment received from KG back in February

It proofs that DHL from Hong Kong is available for the whole January because KG using DHL
 

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From what I am hearing from Kit. It sounds like TW is operating under poor business management. It's like a contractor building a house and realizing they ran out of money building a roof for house #1 so they took money from the house #2 budget to cover the house #1 roofing budget. And then they said they would recoup that initial loss with the money they make in profit on house #2. Problem is, this only flies once or twice in a nightmare scenario. If this behavior repeats then you dig deeper and deeper until you can't get out and can't pull the capital from another job to cover the initial one and someone's left holding the bag. And with how big they are, this could be a massive bag.

I have absolutely no basis for this statement but it gives me that feeling.

Is it possible that TW has inventory coming and there's some weird shipping hold up? Maybe. But it's feeling really sketchy and unlikely the more they drag their feet.

@Kit Chen if you can source one locally for around that 400USD you mentioned I'd like to take you up on that offer. I can order through your site or PayPal. Just let me know and I'll email you.
Good example.. this is exactly what I thought, I hope they survive it because it's big impact to the whole community if one big store falls. But its also important to warn people that do not pay in full upfront for long preorder
 
From everything Kit has said, TW never purchased any units of Cloud directly from GameToys. GameToys wanted a deposit and TW refused to pay it, and so no orders were placed. It's possible some people did receive their orders, but they would have been after market sales, buying from local vendors who did place an order with GT, and then reselling it overseas, which TW is known to do for Hot Toys. Once the prices at local vendors got too high (which they quickly did, as this figure proved to be really popular), that become untenable and now people have gone months and months getting emails claiming the manufacturer delayed the product, which we well know to be a lie considering all the other stores already received their allotment.

I'd be willing to chalk this whole thing up to a one time fluke, but now we also have Queen Studios, an officially licensed brand that is allowed to operate out in the open, directly warning buyers not to purchase from stores that price their figures lower than the competition because they may not receive their figures, as a response to local consumers flooding their social media with messages about TW. Reading between the lines, it sounds to me like TW has refused to pay the deposit for the Queen Joker, too, so Queen can't guarantee that TW will get their stock.

At this point, it's a difficult position to be in considering pre-orders for Zack (and AC Cloud) have closed everywhere else, but it is very much a gamble to send any more money to TW at this point in time. Even if the store recovers and they fulfill Zack, I still wouldn't trust them with any future orders, because Cloud and seemingly Joker have set a precedent that they could do this again at any time.
Thanks very much for your knowledgeable insight and well written answer. Unfortunately only time will tell if they get Zack or not, but like you said, it will be mine and many others last time purchasing through them. I'm just torn on attempting to get a refund from TW and scurrying over to GunDamit, who seems to be the only retailer (I didn't look very hard) carrying Zack 2nd body still. Decisions... I'd also like to believe this was a one-time fluke and not a continuous thing with TW, but I'm unsure. Just going to ride it out, but I will cry manly tears if I do not get my Zack 2nd class bc that's my fav look for him. :monkey2
 
I just talked with some people while trying to source available Cloud in china market

From reliable source but please take it as RUMOR only as I can't disclose the source:

For Gametoys Cloud+daytona - Gametoys don't have available stocks, they shipped all orders in January, there's no plan for re-issue right now. The said store didn't order from them directly, they cannot tell if the said store order it through other place/distributor/stores and if anyone willing to hold their stocks for 3 months
 
I had discussion with one collector regarding his Cloud shipment received from KG back in February

It proofs that DHL from Hong Kong is available for the whole January because KG using DHL
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As per inner network information, this is the current state of affairs within DHL Express for China. HK is not as impacted, just suffering delays import and export wise.
 
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I just talked with some people while trying to source available Cloud in china market

From reliable source but please take it as RUMOR only as I can't disclose the source:

For Gametoys Cloud+daytona - Gametoys don't have available stocks, they shipped all orders in January, there's no plan for re-issue right now. The said store didn't order from them directly, they cannot tell if the said store order it through other place/distributor/stores and if anyone willing to hold their stocks for 3 months
I wonder if there would be anyway to get any rumours on wether or not TW have any stock of Zack coming…. Wondering for a friend…
 
I wonder if there would be anyway to get any rumours on wether or not TW have any stock of Zack coming…. Wondering for a friend…
Gametoys don't have their order

Two major distributors don't have their order

I don't know if they order it through other local stores but then their set price is below the wholesale cost
 
Thankfully i havent ordered anything else from them just the remake version cloud .
They seem to sketchy,after all these i believe ppl should try to pick different stores for these figures,i had my lesson and pre order AC version from 2 different
stores
 
Gametoys don't have their order

Two major distributors don't have their order

I don't know if they order it through other local stores but then their set price is below the wholesale cost
Two major distributors don't have their order? Who else is in the same boat as TW? Also glad I ordered 4 from OSK.
 
Gametoys don't have their order

Two major distributors don't have their order

I don't know if they order it through other local stores but then their set price is below the wholesale cost
It's funny because there is a pre-order still for Zack. I'm considering stopping my plan for Cloud/Fenrir (But I don't have any alternative to get it then so maybe not), but Zack is a different story since it's already been paid. All we can do is wait.
 
It's funny because there is a pre-order still for Zack. I'm considering stopping my plan for Cloud/Fenrir (But I don't have any alternative to get it then so maybe not), but Zack is a different story since it's already been paid. All we can do is wait.
Well people say they got Sephiroth with no problems from them thought,i went with mirai collectibles for my 1 out of 2 orders,i have ordered from them before and they are on spot on everything.
i wouldnt risk anything from them atm
 
Well people say they got Sephiroth with no problems from them thought,i went with mirai collectibles for my 1 out of 2 orders,i have ordered from them before and they are on spot on everything.
i wouldnt risk anything from them atm
I got Sephiroth from them as well. Without problem. It's not about risking or not. I've already payed.
 
I got Sephiroth from them as well. Without problem. It's not about risking or not. I've already payed.
Time will tell then,i dont think there will be a problem,the problem was with the cloud which practicly was more expensive and had more demand.
I wouldnt be surprised if they sold somewhere else the units with the current rates and just postpone the delivery until ppl cancel their order willingly due to the delays.
 
Time will tell then,i dont think there will be a problem,the problem was with the cloud which practicly was more expensive and had more demand.
I wouldnt be surprised if they sold somewhere else the units with the current rates and just postpone the delivery until ppl cancel their order willingly due to the delays.
I was able to get Cloud from a private listing, no Hardy though, bit I don't mind if I can get Fenrir.
 
I was able to get Cloud from a private listing, no Hardy though, bit I don't mind if I can get Fenrir.
im searching for 1 now my self cloud at least,and even if i get my order in the end(which i doubt) i will sell the extra for the price i paid to some guy who really wants it and cant afford sculptor prices.
 
It's funny because there is a pre-order still for Zack. I'm considering stopping my plan for Cloud/Fenrir (But I don't have any alternative to get it then so maybe not), but Zack is a different story since it's already been paid. All we can do is wait.
It's more funny to count how many CS they got..

Now we have .. Gianna, Killian, Daisy and Tracy
 
Given demand it's a shame GT won't be doing a reissue, even with AC cloud they're leaving money on the table, lots of it.
 
Didn't they do a reissue of their Bleach figure but as a repaint or something? Maybe a reissue for Cloud with OG-accurate clothing colours and an alternate sword ie. Hardedge would be a possibility, based on that.
 
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